RE: Volkswagen previews first-ever all-electric wagon
RE: Volkswagen previews first-ever all-electric wagon
Monday 30th October 2023

Volkswagen previews first-ever all-electric wagon

Incoming ID 7 Tourer will be among a slew of fast EV estate cars when it launches next year


Volkswagen may not be the company that first springs to mind when thinking of fast estates - but there remain a few notable uberwagons in its back catalogue. Only early 2000s VW could have replaced a 4.0-litre, eight-cylinder flagship Passat with one powered by a 3.6-litre VR6, for example. The Mk7 Golf R estate was very good, too; the latest one, judged purely on driving dynamics, is probably even better. And don’t forget the Arteon Shooting Brake, either. 

Plenty of heritage for this new ID.7 Tourer to draw upon, then, especially with confirmation already of a GTX hatch - plus that striking ID.X Performance. Gold wheels and red accents would surely look just as good on a wagon. We’re not quite at that stage for the Tourer just yet, the full design still disguised under some camo, but you only need to consider the evolution of similar ID models to see where the Tourer might end up. Given the it's-definitely-coming status of the GTX badge, it seems almost guaranteed that a circa 400hp derivative will arrive at some point; let’s hope for a more gratifying EV performance flagship this time around. 

For now, VW is promising much of what might be expected from its first all-electric estate. The incredibly low drag coefficient of the ID.7 hatch (0.23) has almost been matched the second time around (0.24), and the big boot is promising acres of room: 545 litres with the seats up, 1,714 with them down. Which is genuinely massive regardless of powertrain - the equivalent Skoda Octavia is only rated at a 1,700-litre maximum. So that should be space, range and refinement in the Tourer’s favour, which all sound like good news. It'll likely be rear-drive to begin with, too. 

VW is also promising ‘high travel comfort’, which won’t exactly get pulses racing but again sounds ideal for a cavernous EV estate. Leaves plenty of headroom for something faster as well. The ID 7 Tourer will go on sale in Europe next year, with the final design to be revealed in the coming months. Which is unlikely to hold too many surprises, because VW wagons don’t tend to. Alternatively, if the old ways really are the only way, you know where to look…


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chrisironside

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968 posts

192 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Probably not the most exciting release on the horizon, but I like it.
I had an ID3 for a year or two and really liked it, will be interested in this when it comes out.

benjidog

121 posts

91 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Yawn.

Robertb

3,867 posts

268 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Looks alright.
It would be cunningly disguised if you were driving through a forest fire.

leglessAlex

7,355 posts

171 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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I’m really, really looking forward to this.

I hope it’s boring, practical, spacious and manages to escape the horrific infotainment that VW put in all their other ID products.

Basically, I hope it’s more or less an electric version of my Superb estate.

paradigital

1,104 posts

182 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Would be nice to replace our Passat GTE Advance with one of these, but in typical "preview" style (of manufacturers, not PH), the most pertinent details are of course the ones missing.

An interior shot of the boot would have been helpful!

budgie smuggler

6,062 posts

189 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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article said:
the big boot is promising acres of room: 545 litres with the seats up, 1,714 with them down. Which is genuinely massive regardless of powertrain - the equivalent Skoda Octavia is only rated at a 1,700-litre maximum. So that should be space, range and refinement in the Tourer’s favour, which all sound like good news. It'll likely be rear-drive to begin with, too.
But these are way longer than an Octavia aren't they? More like a Superb, which has 1950L.

fantheman80

2,640 posts

79 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Robertb said:
Looks alright.
It would be cunningly disguised if you were driving through a forest fire.
Quite. Did they run out of wrap for the front window though?

ChrisCh86

1,129 posts

74 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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leglessAlex said:
I’m really, really looking forward to this.

I hope it’s boring, practical, spacious and manages to escape the horrific infotainment that VW put in all their other ID products.

Basically, I hope it’s more or less an electric version of my Superb estate.
Me too.

I don't want an SUV, I want an estate. Here's hoping this isn't hopeless like the ID3. A depreciated AWD version of this, in about 5 years or so would be great

J4CKO

46,874 posts

230 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Robertb said:
Looks alright.
It would be cunningly disguised if you were driving through a forest fire.
Dont see what all the Commotion is about myself.

Roger Irrelevant

3,391 posts

143 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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budgie smuggler said:
article said:
the big boot is promising acres of room: 545 litres with the seats up, 1,714 with them down. Which is genuinely massive regardless of powertrain - the equivalent Skoda Octavia is only rated at a 1,700-litre maximum. So that should be space, range and refinement in the Tourer’s favour, which all sound like good news. It'll likely be rear-drive to begin with, too.
But these are way longer than an Octavia aren't they? More like a Superb, which has 1950L.
Yup. Skoda Superb estate 4862mm, ID7 estate 4961mm. Superb boot space 650/1950l, ID7 boot space 545/1714. Which neatly illustrates my main grumble with the present crop of EVs - while my XC70 (for example) may be an decrepit old dinosaur which spews diesel death fumes everywhere it goes, it is very good at the basic business of lugging people and stuff around, and it didn't cost all that much either. I'm very much open to getting an EV and have semi-seriously looked at a few, but right now everything that comes close to the all-round practicality of what I've already got seems to be a colossal reverse-tardis that costs a fortune even on a salary sacrifice scheme. It is good to see more EV estates though - I never quite understood with aero being so important for EVs why so many of them have the frontal area of Balmoral.

Nomme de Plum

7,050 posts

46 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Roger Irrelevant said:
Yup. Skoda Superb estate 4862mm, ID7 estate 4961mm. Superb boot space 650/1950l, ID7 boot space 545/1714. Which neatly illustrates my main grumble with the present crop of EVs - while my XC70 (for example) may be an decrepit old dinosaur which spews diesel death fumes everywhere it goes, it is very good at the basic business of lugging people and stuff around, and it didn't cost all that much either. I'm very much open to getting an EV and have semi-seriously looked at a few, but right now everything that comes close to the all-round practicality of what I've already got seems to be a colossal reverse-tardis that costs a fortune even on a salary sacrifice scheme. It is good to see more EV estates though - I never quite understood with aero being so important for EVs why so many of them have the frontal area of Balmoral.
SuVs came first as they gave the greatest return and the form leant itself to EVs. Tesla have been much smarter in this regard. Another poster has posted some great stuff on the physics evidencing why drag matters.

It's in one of the EV threads.

I like the idea of an estate as I dislike SuVs but have opted in the meantime for an i3S which is a bit on the small side for carrying stuff but a great car nonetheless.

piman2k

39 posts

170 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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It looks like it could be great, but I don't see why they all have to be fast.

Many people just want an EV estate that isn't an MG (not knocking the MG).

I would genuinely consider replacing my 2012 Golf TDI Estate with a quality EV estate car.

But I have not once been let down by the 130hp my Golf offers. I don't need a 400hp Estate.

romac

608 posts

176 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Behold! A car made out of Corten!
Sort of interesting, but... ...VW frown

Bladedancer

1,458 posts

226 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Will it finally come out of the factory with a Taxi sign on the roof?

Bladedancer

1,458 posts

226 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Robertb said:
Looks alright.
It would be cunningly disguised if you were driving through a forest fire.
If you drive it into a forest and rupture the battery pack you'll have your fire biggrin

JJJ.

5,583 posts

45 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Staying positive, it's got an impressively low drag...

Terminator X

20,716 posts

234 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Hopefully it bombs big time just like when Audi put a diesel in their S4.

TX.

ex-devonpaul

1,745 posts

167 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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piman2k said:
It looks like it could be great, but I don't see why they all have to be fast.
Because it doesn't cost much more to do, and if everyone else does it then you need to too. I gather there is a bit of an issue with people buying these things and not expecting 'supercar' erformance off the line though.

911Spanker

3,681 posts

46 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Need to have an ad of the car driving through a burning foresr with the "take my breath away" tune in the background.

autumnsum

435 posts

61 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Terminator X said:
Hopefully it bombs big time just like when Audi put a diesel in their S4.

TX.
Why?

TX.