Sportsmanship vs cheating
Discussion
Currently watching Djokovic vs Rune. Djokovic got the first set but lost the second. So he takes a 7 min toilet break. I expect that is within the rules (to the second) but clearly aimed at breaking Rune’s momentum. Which worked. Djokovic now a break up.
It might not technically count as cheating but if you don’t need to use the toilet and are doing it deliberately to affect your opponent it is as good as in my book.
I don’t understand why it is allowed. How is it that tennis stars in the past could last without having to use the toilet? Maybe I am not remembering this correctly but I don’t remember that it being a thing when watching Wimbledon when I was younger.
It might not technically count as cheating but if you don’t need to use the toilet and are doing it deliberately to affect your opponent it is as good as in my book.
I don’t understand why it is allowed. How is it that tennis stars in the past could last without having to use the toilet? Maybe I am not remembering this correctly but I don’t remember that it being a thing when watching Wimbledon when I was younger.
He’s playing within the rules, doing what he’s entitled to do. In my time I’ve played lot of competitive golf (county standard) and seen this sort of thing happen a lot, the response is always the same; know the rules and use them to your advantage. I stopped having a problem with this sort of behaviour once I got on board with it, if it’s within the rules it’s not cheating, but I see your point.
Skeptisk said:
Currently watching Djokovic vs Rune. Djokovic got the first set but lost the second. So he takes a 7 min toilet break. I expect that is within the rules (to the second) but clearly aimed at breaking Rune’s momentum. Which worked. Djokovic now a break up.
It might not technically count as cheating but if you don’t need to use the toilet and are doing it deliberately to affect your opponent it is as good as in my book.
I don’t understand why it is allowed. How is it that tennis stars in the past could last without having to use the toilet? Maybe I am not remembering this correctly but I don’t remember that it being a thing when watching Wimbledon when I was younger.
As people have said it’s in the rules so why not use it. It enabled him to refocus, and crack on and win. Why didn’t Rune do the same? It might not technically count as cheating but if you don’t need to use the toilet and are doing it deliberately to affect your opponent it is as good as in my book.
I don’t understand why it is allowed. How is it that tennis stars in the past could last without having to use the toilet? Maybe I am not remembering this correctly but I don’t remember that it being a thing when watching Wimbledon when I was younger.
If you can use the rules to your advantage why not.
Gamesmanship is a difficult one to define. Mark Selby slowing everything down to a horrid, glacial pace. Rafa Nadal going through his painful serving routine. Knocking the bails off the non-striker's end. All unpalatable and irritating, but still within the rules of the games. Some of it is more obvious than others. I guess the difference between the first two here and the last one is the first two have the effect (probably intentional) to disrupt the game and discomfit the opponent.
Then of course you have people blissfully unaware of their surroundings - Terry Down being a good example. Irritating, no doubt, but is it gamesmanship? I can think of an example where Selby went too far - taking six minutes to decide on a shot against notorious cheat John Higgins, but can't think of many others.
Then of course you have people blissfully unaware of their surroundings - Terry Down being a good example. Irritating, no doubt, but is it gamesmanship? I can think of an example where Selby went too far - taking six minutes to decide on a shot against notorious cheat John Higgins, but can't think of many others.
nicanary said:
The England cricket team constantly "rest" their players by using subs when they are fielding. Other teams don't like it, but it's allowed in the rules.I personally don't like it, but it's gamesmanship.
Oh, so *thats* the plan in the WC? We arent losing, we are just resting the players till next yr. Innovative tactic I suppose...
Magikarp said:
Gamesmanship is a difficult one to define. Mark Selby slowing everything down to a horrid, glacial pace. Rafa Nadal going through his painful serving routine. Knocking the bails off the non-striker's end. All unpalatable and irritating, but still within the rules of the games. Some of it is more obvious than others. I guess the difference between the first two here and the last one is the first two have the effect (probably intentional) to disrupt the game and discomfit the opponent.
Then of course you have people blissfully unaware of their surroundings - Terry Down being a good example. Irritating, no doubt, but is it gamesmanship? I can think of an example where Selby went too far - taking six minutes to decide on a shot against notorious cheat John Higgins, but can't think of many others.
I don't think it is fair to accuse Mark Selby of gamesmanship. He deliberately puts balls in awkward positions, but it is a legitimate strategy in snooker. Then of course you have people blissfully unaware of their surroundings - Terry Down being a good example. Irritating, no doubt, but is it gamesmanship? I can think of an example where Selby went too far - taking six minutes to decide on a shot against notorious cheat John Higgins, but can't think of many others.
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