Delivering A Car To France?

[KTMsm]

I'm selling off some of my Dad's Classics and have had an enquiry for a LHD Matra but they want it delivered to the outskirts of Paris

It's not an unusual request and I'm not worried about any scam aspect

If I deliver it myself (on a trailer) what do I need to be aware of regarding customs / paperwork etc or anything regarding towing a trailer in France etc

It's a private sale if that matters

Thanks

[KTMsm]

I'm happy on the anti scam side it's whether I need to book a commercial ticket am I going to get stopped by customs etc that I need to know about

[MustangGT]

The price needs to include your time and cost of travel both ways. Why not ask them to collect instead. Also don't forget to notify DVLA it is exported.

[KTMsm]

MustangGT said:

The price needs to include your time and cost of travel both ways. Why not ask them to collect instead. Also don't forget to notify DVLA it is exported.

Old guy - I'd guess 70+

I was thinking £1k and a free weekend in France

[vikingaero]

KTMsm said:

I'm happy on the anti scam side it's whether I need to book a commercial ticket am I going to get stopped by customs etc that I need to know about

Although the intent to export is there, the sale could still fall through or you could be scammed, so you are travelling with your own private vehicles until the point of sale and money being exchange. Then you fill in the export forms.

[KTMsm]

Should anyone else be doing similar, I have found out there is paperwork involved that you can't do yourself and costs approximately £200

Also, the import duty and VAT is paid at the border I assumed it was upon registration

So he's going to have to pick it up himself

[EmailAddress]

You have to pay that on a used item?

Seems a bit OTT.

[KTMsm]

Yes I knew It would be taxed, I just assumed it was on registration because it has been on cars i've imported into the UK in the past

[fourstardan]

Is this for real, who actually asks for a car to be delivered unless you are a registered dealer doing distance sales.

Screams of scam or illegal activity to me, beware, could be anything.

[harrycovert]

I got the 846A certificate from the local customs and paid the import tax and VAT there

[Pitre]

How do the customs know you are permanently importing the vehicle to France when you cross the border?

If you were taking it to a show or event, there would be no problem. It's up to the new owner to deal with all the importation issues once it's parked outside his place in Paris and you've gone home with a wad of euros?

[sunbeam alpine]

Pitre said:

How do the customs know you are permanently importing the vehicle to France when you cross the border?

If you were taking it to a show or event, there would be no problem. It's up to the new owner to deal with all the importation issues once it's parked outside his place in Paris and you've gone home with a wad of euros?

You need to apply for a Carnet (cost from £230), plus "the applicant must also provide a security amount in the form of either a non-refundable insurance indemnity or a part-refundable deposit guarantee (a percentage of the deposit guarantee will be charged to cover administration and bank fees) to cover the temporary import of the vehicle against the duties and taxes applicable."

From https://www.carseurope.net/carnet-de-passage-en-do...

Sorry for using the B-word, but it's another of those little problems that have arisen as a result of Brexit.

[Griffith4ever]

Pitre said:

How do the customs know you are permanently importing the vehicle to France when you cross the border?

If you were taking it to a show or event, there would be no problem. It's up to the new owner to deal with all the importation issues once it's parked outside his place in Paris and you've gone home with a wad of euros?

Driving it over would eliminate all of the hassle and tax.

[21st Century Man]

Pitre said:

It's up to the new owner to deal with all the importation issues once it's parked outside his place in Paris and you've gone home with a wad of euros?

That's how I understand it too. If I'd popped over to Paris to buy a car it would be down to me to declare it and pay duties upon bringing it to the UK, not the seller. I bought a car in from Japan and so I've dealt with all that before.

However, the complication here is that it's being delivered and so the seller might have to deal with French customs if stopped and at the very least declare it's arrival with the French equivalent of a NOVA and then potentially handle any import duty/tax, no matter who is paying.

If it was the other way around, delivered from France to the UK and stopped by customs, I would expect them to want an immediate NOVA declaration and duties paid before release.

[Krikkit]

sunbeam alpine said:

Sorry for using the B-word, but it's another of those little problems that have arisen as a result of Brexit.

Correct, another Brexst disaster.

[Baldchap]

I'd talk to DVLA in advance and find out precisely what they need, then send copies and keep the originals.

I scrapped four cars in France and send DVLA all the original paperwork signed for, which they promptly lost and told me I hadn't sent it. Were it not for the fact I had the date and signer's details from Royal Mail they simply wouldn't have engaged with me at all. No apologies at all but I did eventually get my tax back.

[Griffith4ever]

Krikkit said:

sunbeam alpine said:

Sorry for using the B-word, but it's another of those little problems that have arisen as a result of Brexit.

Correct, another Brexst disaster.

Yeah, nightmare that, for all the people exporting cars on a personal basis to the EU. Must affect so many people...... much like all those affected by the loss of EU mobile roaming... oh.... wait.....

[MustangGT]

KTMsm said:

MustangGT said:

The price needs to include your time and cost of travel both ways. Why not ask them to collect instead. Also don't forget to notify DVLA it is exported.

Old guy - I'd guess 70+

I was thinking £1k and a free weekend in France

What have any of my comments got to do with age?

[re33]

Griffith4ever said:

Krikkit said:

sunbeam alpine said:

Sorry for using the B-word, but it's another of those little problems that have arisen as a result of Brexit.

Correct, another Brexst disaster.

Yeah, nightmare that, for all the people exporting cars on a personal basis to the EU. Must affect so many people...... much like all those affected by the loss of EU mobile roaming... oh.... wait.....

"UK residents made an estimated 16.5 million trips to Spain in 2022, making it the most popular destination for outbound tourism."

Source: https://www.finder.com/uk/outbound-tourism-statist...
Analysis conducted by finder.com

[Griffith4ever]

re33 said:

"UK residents made an estimated 16.5 million trips to Spain in 2022, making it the most popular destination for outbound tourism."

Source: https://www.finder.com/uk/outbound-tourism-statist...
Analysis conducted by finder.com

And that is connected to exporting a car for sale how?