PCN issued and on system but no PCN on car

[MrJuice]

I was issued a PCN yesterday for an alleged contravention

I drove off while the ticket was being printed. This is the only photo on the PCN page of the local authority

Usually they have a set of photos

Do I challenge or ignore? It's not as though they have any evidence of the contravention

[pingu393]

It looks like there is literally nothing to see here .

[vonhosen]

Witness testimony is evidence.

[paintman]

MrJuice said:

I was issued a PCN yesterday for an alleged contravention

I drove off while the ticket was being printed. This is the only photo on the PCN page of the local authority

Usually they have a set of photos

Do I challenge or ignore? It's not as though they have any evidence of the contravention

Apart from the evidence that will be given by the person issuing the ticket who will be able to give the times that your vehicle was there & that they were unable to give you/fix the ticket to the vehicle as you drove off whilst they were in the process of issuing it.

Good luck.

[The Count]

Reminds me of this...



I would challenge it.

[pingu393]

Do you not need two pieces of evidence, unless you are a constable?

Witness + photo is two, but witness alone is only one.

I am probably wrong, and don't want to get into an argument about it. If it were me, I wouldn't have run off. I don't have a dog in the fight, just curious.

[MrJuice]

Yep

I'm sure the warden can say all that and I'm not sure I'd dispute it. But it appears from the council website that for a PCN to be served, it is either received by post or attached to the vehicle.

They ask which it was in the challenge form. I clicked received by post but in my comment said that I didn't receive it by post and nor was it attached to my car.

Let's see what they say

[Sheepshanks]

MrJuice said:

They ask which it was in the challenge form. I clicked received by post but in my comment said that I didn't receive it by post and nor was it attached to my car.

Are you not giving the game away somewhat by challenging before you've received it?

[MrJuice]

Well

There was a man issuing a ticket near my car. I didn't wait to have a chat with him about it. I went about my business.

I was curious so went to the council website, put in my numberplate and got the information

That is what happened and I've asked for evidence on the alleged contravention

[vonhosen]

Wait until you receive the PCN through the post, if it comes.
It will take a while.

[Driver101]

It would be funny if the second part of the evidence was referencing this thread and your admission that you drove off when the ticket was being printed.


Why does so many parking and speeding fines end up with PHers trying to worm their way out? What about just accepting responsibility?

[Driver101]

MrJuice said:

Well

There was a man issuing a ticket near my car. I didn't wait to have a chat with him about it. I went about my business.

I was curious so went to the council website, put in my numberplate and got the information

That is what happened and I've asked for evidence on the alleged contravention

You know the ticket was for you. Why even try to make up silly excuses?

[MrJuice]

Driver101 said:

It would be funny if the second part of the evidence was referencing this thread and your admission that you drove off when the ticket was being printed.


Why does so many parking and speeding fines end up with PHers trying to worm their way out? What about just accepting responsibility?

I'm happy to tell them I drove off. I am asking for the evidence a contravention took place. I'm not sure they have any evidence and if they do, I'm sure they will share it or duly cancel the PCN

[vonhosen]

MrJuice said:

Driver101 said:

It would be funny if the second part of the evidence was referencing this thread and your admission that you drove off when the ticket was being printed.


Why does so many parking and speeding fines end up with PHers trying to worm their way out? What about just accepting responsibility?

I'm happy to tell them I drove off. I am asking for the evidence a contravention took place. I'm not sure they have any evidence and if they do, I'm sure they will share it or duly cancel the PCN

They clearly have witness testimony from the warden or you wouldn't have found it on the website search.

[MrJuice]

Yep

Let's see what the outcome of my challenge is

I'll keep the thread updated

[Driver101]

MrJuice said:

Driver101 said:

It would be funny if the second part of the evidence was referencing this thread and your admission that you drove off when the ticket was being printed.


Why does so many parking and speeding fines end up with PHers trying to worm their way out? What about just accepting responsibility?

I'm happy to tell them I drove off. I am asking for the evidence a contravention took place. I'm not sure they have any evidence and if they do, I'm sure they will share it or duly cancel the PCN

You are going to admit driving off from where the parking attendant witnessed you parked?

It sounds like you know you parked illegally and know the ticket was for you. Why not just pay the small fine and accept some responsibility?

[Sebring440]

MrJuice said:

Yep

Let's see what the outcome of my challenge is

Your "challenge". What could possible be your "challenge"?

[Sir Bagalot]

Ticket wasn't served.

A while back I came out of a shop and warden was there. As they were preparing the ticket I unlocked the car and on opening the door he said too late, I have input the details, I jumped in and drove off and never heard any more.

[Drumroll]

MrJuice said:

Driver101 said:

It would be funny if the second part of the evidence was referencing this thread and your admission that you drove off when the ticket was being printed.


Why does so many parking and speeding fines end up with PHers trying to worm their way out? What about just accepting responsibility?

I'm happy to tell them I drove off. I am asking for the evidence a contravention took place. I'm not sure they have any evidence and if they do, I'm sure they will share it or duly cancel the PCN

As most traffic enforcement officers now have body worn cameras, I suspect they can provide the evidence.

[speedchick]

Enforcement officer here.

Photos are not a legal requirement, all that is needed is time, date, location, make of vehicle and contravention code.

Most of us have body cams, and they are usually switched on during the issuing stage (especially with on street pcns)

Contrary to popular belief, we do not have to give warning, speak to you, stick it to the windscreen or put it in your hand. If a pcn has been started and the driver drives off, we just head to the office, write a report up and the issuing authority sends a regulation 10 pcn, which is a postal pcn and deemed served by post.

The info in in the report/statment will have the following...
CEO number, date, time (including observation times), location, details of contravention (ie contravention 01, parked on a single yellow line during restricted hours as detailed on the time plate), details of car (eg, Black Ford Escort, VRM AB12 CDE), possibly a desription of the driver, and a details of any conversation.

Edited by speedchick on Monday 20th November 08:56