Autosport Top 10 F1 Drivers 2023

[moffspeed]

Sometime in the next couple of weeks Autosport will publish their 2023 F1 review. As ever this will include their drivers’ top 10.

A clue to their verdict comes from their rolling top 10 that is published after every GP - but the annual verdict is never identical to this.

So predictions please, I’m going with :

1. Ver.
2. Nor.
3. Alo.
4. Ham.
5. Lec.
6. Alb.
7. Pia.
8. Rus.
9. Sai.
10. Tsu.

[vaud]

1. Ver.
2. Nor.
3. Alo.
4. Pia.
5. Alb.
6. Ham
7. Lec
8. Rus.
9. Sai.
10. Tsu.

[Petrus1983]

I'd put Albon in a comfortable 4th place - carrying a whole team single handedly to 7th in the he WCC is no mean feat.

[thegreenhell]

BunkMoreland said:

Anyhow. Feel free to disagree with

4) Piastri - Out performed Norris and won a Sprint race.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but

Qualifying head-to-head: Norris 15-7 Piastri
Race head-to-head: Norris 17-5 Piastri
Championship: Norris 6th (205 points), Piastri 9th (97 points)

[anonymous-user]

Petrus1983 said:

I'd put Albon in a comfortable 4th place - carrying a whole team single handedly to 7th in the he WCC is no mean feat.

You have got to think that he saved Williams this season. If they put another Latifi in the car they would be tenth overall with 2 or 3 points.

How much in prize money is the difference between 10th and 7th, 30 million dollars?

[moffspeed]

]Sometimethe next couple of weeks Autosport will publish their 2023 F1 review. As ever this will include their drivers’ top 10.

A clue to their verdict comes from their rolling top 10 that is published after every GP - but the annual verdict is never identical to this.

So predictions please, I’m going :

1. Ver.
2. Nor.
3. Alo.
4. Ham.
5. Lec.
6. Alb.
7. Pia.
8. Rus.
9. Sai.
10. Tsu.




[/quote]

Have we got to guess what Autosport would say, since that's not always the prevailing narrative and can be influenced by how much the writers like the driver!





That’s a very good point and was in the back of my mind when I started this thread.

Also can they resist featuring that guy who finished 2nd in the WDC in their top 10 ?

[super7]

If were talking about driving and not taking the car into consideration then…..

1. Norris
2. Albon
3. Alonso
4. Hamilton
5. Leclerc
5.5 Piastri
6. Verstappen
7. Sainz
8. Russell
9. Tsunoda
10. Ocon & Gasly (cant make my mind up!!)

Edited… bks… need to get Piastri in there….

Edited by super7 on Monday 27th November 23:10

[thegreenhell]

moffspeed said:

Also can they resist featuring that guy who finished 2nd in the WDC in their top 10 ?

Fewer than half the points of his teammate and 20-2 on head to head. Only Sargeant has worse teammate stats this year.

[super7]

Perez was dire all season…. No consistency and his brain was shot….

You could have put Stroll or Sargeant in the 2nd Red Bull and they’d have come second in the Drivers Championship

[moffspeed]

Interestingly 2023 has been a season of so many under-performers. I reckon there are at least 8 drivers who are unlikely to appear on anyone’s top 10 list.

On the bubble I’d put Gasly & Hulkenberg.

Lawson would have made my top 10 if he’d seen out the season at AT and continued to perform.

[HardtopManual]

BunkMoreland said:

I want to see Norris stop the dicking about so much next year. Cut all the bouffant hair off

Funnily enough, despite all the drivel you'll read on any thread mentioning Lewis, a driver's hair style has zero impact on their performance.

[spikyone]

BunkMoreland said:

Not entirely sure. If he shaved his head for example to a number 2 all over, cut out the larking about. He'd probably do better and instil a bit more steel in his rivals. As it stands they know he's just a big kid playing. They don't take him 100% seriously. I want to see him calling the other drivers wkers and getting his elbows out a bit more. Telling the media he's not interested in their BS and he's here to win! Absolute bds win titles. And he's not one.... yet

Does he want to remembered as a champ or title contender? Or that nice Lando who never won a race?

You are Arnold Judas Rimmer AICMFP.

Seriously though, suggesting that Piastri has outperformed Norris is a bad joke. Norris kept Verstappen on his toes in Brazil, was close enough for Sainz to use him tactically in Singapore, and has a Hamilton-esque knack for going much faster than Piastri in races whilst keeping his tyres alive.

No doubt Verstappen is driver of the season. Alonso/Norris very close behind. And IMO everyone else has been a good chunk behind them - either lacking consistency or making mistakes. The Merc has been obviously difficult to drive, so I'd probably put Hamilton & Russell just ahead of the Ferrari drivers. Piastri and Albon would be in the top 10 as well, hard to judge Albon because Sargeant was so poor. I don't think anyone other than those guys really stood out. I'll go with Lawson though - thrown in at the deep end and performed just as well as Ricciardo IMO.

And no, Perez was nowhere near top 10 this year. He was like 2021-spec Bottas and very fortunate that the RB was so fast.

1. Ver
2= Alo
2= Nor
4 Ham
5 Rus
6 Lec
7 Sai
8 Pia
9 Alb
10 Law

[asfault]

spikyone said:

You are Arnold Judas Rimmer AICMFP.

Seriously though, suggesting that Piastri has outperformed Norris is a bad joke. Norris kept Verstappen on his toes in Brazil, was close enough for Sainz to use him tactically in Singapore, and has a Hamilton-esque knack for going much faster than Piastri in races whilst keeping his tyres alive.

No doubt Verstappen is driver of the season. Alonso/Norris very close behind. And IMO everyone else has been a good chunk behind them - either lacking consistency or making mistakes. The Merc has been obviously difficult to drive, so I'd probably put Hamilton & Russell just ahead of the Ferrari drivers. Piastri and Albon would be in the top 10 as well, hard to judge Albon because Sargeant was so poor. I don't think anyone other than those guys really stood out. I'll go with Lawson though - thrown in at the deep end and performed just as well as Ricciardo IMO.

And no, Perez was nowhere near top 10 this year. He was like 2021-spec Bottas and very fortunate that the RB was so fast.

1. Ver
2= Alo
2= Nor
4 Ham
5 Rus
6 Lec
7 Sai
8 Pia
9 Alb
10 Law

You were doing OK until 10 is that a typo?
Tsu 10th for me Nd lec above ham and rus in your list for his quali

[gt_12345]

super7 said:

If were talking about driving and not taking the car into consideration then…..

1. Norris
2. Albon
3. Alonso
4. Hamilton
5. Leclerc
5.5 Piastri
6. Verstappen
7. Sainz
8. Russell
9. Tsunoda
10. Ocon & Gasly (cant make my mind up!!)

Edited… bks… need to get Piastri in there….

Edited by super7 on Monday 27th November 23:10

Verstappen won 19/22 races in a car Perez could barely get third.....

[Diderot]

BunkMoreland said:

thegreenhell said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but

Qualifying head-to-head: Norris 15-7 Piastri
Race head-to-head: Norris 17-5 Piastri
Championship: Norris 6th (205 points), Piastri 9th (97 points)

I may well be wrong!

I just meant Lando has been in F1 for what, 5 years now? And Pisatri has been around for 1. And he won a race before Lando albeit a Sprint. I want to see Norris stop the dicking about so much next year. Cut all the bouffant hair off, train like a demon in the gym. 100% focus. Come back like Rosberg did that year. Become the bd that wins races, not the nice guy that finishes top 6 and has a laugh with the other drivers.

Train like a demon? Watch the Qatar post race cool down room footage. Piastri was half dead lying down on the floor, Lando was seemingly unaffected.

[moffspeed]

Interesting to see that everyone’s top 10 just about features permutations of the same 10 drivers.

If we ran a poll for the bottom 5 I suspect we’d have the same consistency, leaving Ocon, Bottas etc filling the sandwich.

[asfault]

moffspeed said:

Interesting to see that everyone’s top 10 just about features permutations of the same 10 drivers.

If we ran a poll for the bottom 5 I suspect we’d have the same consistency, leaving Ocon, Bottas etc filling the sandwich.

Perez,
Stroll
Lawson
Zhou
Ricciardo

[oyster]

1. Verstappen - yes he gad the best car, but he was flawless.
2. Alonso - maximised the car and some mesmerising drives.
3. Albon - put that Williams into places no one could have expected.
4. Leclerc - took the fight to Verstappen when the car would allow. 5 poles in the 3rd best car.
5. Hamilton - very consistent and maximised what he could get from the car.
6. Sainz - possibly for a superb win in Singapore and preventing the Red Bull clean sweep.
7. Norris - really fast, showed some great race craft this year as well.
8. Piastri - biggest compliment is that he doesn’t look like a rookie.
9. Gasly - showed more gumption than his team mate.
10. Russell - when it’s his day, he outperforms the car. Some days his mind goes walk about.

[moffspeed]

asfault said:

moffspeed said:

Interesting to see that everyone’s top 10 just about features permutations of the same 10 drivers.

If we ran a poll for the bottom 5 I suspect we’d have the same consistency, leaving Ocon, Bottas etc filling the sandwich.

Perez,
Stroll
Lawson
Zhou
Ricciardo

Lawson - really ?!? I think de Vries deserves an honourable mention.

Sergeant maybe - but I’ve defended him on another thread as I think he has inherent pace - as he showed towards the end of the season. As I reminded everyone Mansell spent 3 seasons+ crashing a lot and generally being outpaced/qualified by de Angelis before discovering the top step of the podium.

[moffspeed]

Some interesting intra-team quali. statistics courtesy of Motor Sport.

This is “smart” data, only allowing comparisons where mechanical issues/severe baulking didn’t play a part. Also, to negate the effects of track evolution times only in the same Q session we’re compared - ie if only one team mate progressed to Q3 then their Q2 times were compared.

Yes - the Alpine drivers were closely matched .

Edited by moffspeed on Friday 1st December 16:10