18 Points And 6 Month Ban - Failing To Name Driver

[KTMsm]

Have I (or the BBC) missed something but someone was given 18 points and a 6 month ban for failing to reply regarding who was driving her car

Seems excessive

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67613...

[Digger]

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[E63eeeeee...]

Not really excessive, the whole point is that failing to comply with the process should get you a harsher punishment than admitting it was you would have done, otherwise nobody complies with the process.

[paulrockliffe]

Three offences, 3 failures to name the driver, 3x the points. If anything it was lenient as it looks like the ban wasn't applied 3x.

[Hungrymc]

I think it was 3 separate incidents so 3 x 6 points.
She also was already on 11 points.
Sounds like a bit of a liability on the road.

[Aretnap]

6 points per offence is mandatory. 3 separate offences means 18 points. Add to the 11 points she already had and it takes her (removes shoes and socks to help with counting - oh dear not enough toes) well over 12 points, so a 6 month ban is standard.

Nothing unusual apart from the fact that she was daft enough to do it.

[KTMsm]

paulrockliffe said:

Three offences, 3 failures to name the driver, 3x the points. If anything it was lenient as it looks like the ban wasn't applied 3x.

Ah it didn't say 3 separate offences - I thought they asked 3 times for the same offence

[agtlaw]

KTMsm said:

Ah it didn't say 3 separate offences - I thought they asked 3 times for the same offence

You thought wrong.

[KTMsm]

agtlaw said:

You thought wrong.

Which is why I asked

[poo at Paul's]

She really doubled down on things and it has come back somewhat to haunt her. Mind you, she still has her "job", maybe British Athletics should look at that.


Twitter had some funny stuff on this yesterday, including someone saying judge banned her as the training ground was only 10 minutes down the road.
Bianca.."Do you know who i am, I am Bianca White, Olympic sprinter.."
Judge "Sorry, madam, .........its 5 minutes down the road" .

[NFT]

So she was able to not return the NIP two times prior with no action?

You get a free licence on first offence or two then?

[agtlaw]

Hungrymc said:

I think it was 3 separate incidents so 3 x 6 points.
She also was already on 11 points.
Sounds like a bit of a liability on the road.

Section 172 offences charged are so-called document offences. Nothing to do with bad driving. They pertain to failure to deal with admin.

[agtlaw]

paulrockliffe said:

Three offences, 3 failures to name the driver, 3x the points. If anything it was lenient as it looks like the ban wasn't applied 3x.

The mandatory minimum disqualification increases to 12 months if there is a relevant previous disqualification. The offender is this case did well to have all three matters dealt with at one sentencing hearing. Therefore, 6m not 12m.

[bimsb6]

agtlaw said:

Hungrymc said:

I think it was 3 separate incidents so 3 x 6 points.
She also was already on 11 points.
Sounds like a bit of a liability on the road.

Section 172 offences charged are so-called document offences. Nothing to do with bad driving. They pertain to failure to deal with admin.

And the original 11 points were for ?

[ferret50]

And a total of 29 points!

Wonder how much insurance costs her?

[agtlaw]

bimsb6 said:

And the original 11 points were for ?

Were any of those points for another admin failure?

[agtlaw]

ferret50 said:

And a total of 29 points!

Wonder how much insurance costs her?

For totting up purposes, she has 0 penalty points; a 'totting up' disqualification (of any length) wipes the points slate clean.

Edited by agtlaw on Wednesday 6th December 12:48

[NFT]

ferret50 said:

And a total of 29 points!

Wonder how much insurance costs her?

On a Tesla with those Points and a Ban to disclose, very steep if at all I imagine.

[martinbiz]

NFT said:

ferret50 said:

And a total of 29 points!

Wonder how much insurance costs her?

On a Tesla with those Points and a Ban to disclose, very steep if at all I imagine.

As already pointed out the points will get wiped by the totting ban, what won't get wiped is her driving record, so when asked by her ins co about conviction details in the last 5 years, her answer will have to be "yes and please find enclosed a large sheet of A4 paper"

[NFT]

martinbiz said:

NFT said:

ferret50 said:

And a total of 29 points!

Wonder how much insurance costs her?

On a Tesla with those Points and a Ban to disclose, very steep if at all I imagine.

As already pointed out the points will get wiped by the totting ban, what won't get wiped is her driving record, so when asked by her ins co about conviction details in the last 5 years, her answer will have to be "yes and please find enclosed a large sheet of A4 paper"