Average Speed Between Two Cameras
Average Speed Between Two Cameras
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Glassman

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24,878 posts

243 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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I might have this wrong so please feel free to correct me.

NIP for 46 in a 40.

Alleged speed recorded between two cameras. Two images taken two minutes apart. The 'recorded' speed is based on the time it takes to get from camera A to camera B?

ianrb

1,640 posts

168 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Yes.

But to the best of my knowledge the cameras don't record an image, they just record the Reg. number.

Bonefish Blues

36,128 posts

251 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Yes but you won't get a ticket if you brake heavily for camera 1 & camera 2 and speed up in between. Must definitely be true because that's what many people do hehe

NFT

1,324 posts

50 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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If that's the system,

I have heard of some being changed to be both A-B and In camera view (New dual cameras) so it could be either in some areas.

Super Sonic

13,954 posts

82 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Almost correct apart from " two images taken two minutes apart ". The time between the images depends on your speed.

Glassman

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24,878 posts

243 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Super Sonic said:
Almost correct apart from " two images taken two minutes apart ". The time between the images depends on your speed.
Image 1 taken at 12:32 by camera A.

Image 2 captured an image at 12:34 by camera B further down the road.

Doesn't that make it an average, or estimated speed rather than an actual speed?

Yellow Lizud

2,911 posts

192 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Glassman said:
Super Sonic said:
Almost correct apart from " two images taken two minutes apart ". The time between the images depends on your speed.
Image 1 taken at 12:32 by camera A.

Image 2 captured an image at 12:34 by camera B further down the road.

Doesn't that make it an average, or estimated speed rather than an actual speed?
I think the times above are missing their seconds.

It would be great if all images were taken 2 minutes apart. You could charge past camera A at 150mph, when camera B took it's image 2 mins later you'd be long gone!!!

NFT

1,324 posts

50 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Yellow Lizud said:
Glassman said:
Super Sonic said:
Almost correct apart from " two images taken two minutes apart ". The time between the images depends on your speed.
Image 1 taken at 12:32 by camera A.

Image 2 captured an image at 12:34 by camera B further down the road.

Doesn't that make it an average, or estimated speed rather than an actual speed?
I think the times above are missing their seconds.

It would be great if all images were taken 2 minutes apart. You could charge past camera A at 150mph, when camera B took it's image 2 mins later you'd be long gone!!!
hehe

Bill

58,315 posts

283 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Glassman said:
Doesn't that make it an average, or estimated speed rather than an actual speed?
Average is your actual speed, but over 2 minutes. Distance/time = miles per hour.

ScoobyChris

2,300 posts

230 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Glassman said:
Doesn't that make it an average, or estimated speed rather than an actual speed?
It's similar to all speed mesauremnts taken (done between two fixed points) but these are just further apart

In many ways this works out better as you could be doing significantly above the limit, then brake and do significantly below the limit and only be punished for being a few mph over, rather than the max speed you hit. biggrin

Chris

TheDrownedApe

1,739 posts

84 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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2 mins seems a long long time between cameras. At 46mph that's a long way.

lets assume it's a min 61 sec gap then that's 1200m??? whereabouts OP?

Glassman

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24,878 posts

243 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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TheDrownedApe said:
2 mins seems a long long time between cameras. At 46mph that's a long way.

lets assume it's a min 61 sec gap then that's 1200m??? whereabouts OP?
A406 opp Brook Road NW2 to j/w Shirehall Park NW11 (E/B)



Glassman

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243 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Yellow Lizud said:
I think the times above are missing their seconds.

It would be great if all images were taken 2 minutes apart. You could charge past camera A at 150mph, when camera B took it's image 2 mins later you'd be long gone!!!
12:32:19

12:34:03

Camera ID 28-739906-23

Camera ID 30-739907-12

First image is of vehicle in L3 overtaking; second shows it in L2.

QBee

22,387 posts

172 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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You were unlucky - most forces start prosecuting at limit +10% +2, so at 45 mph you wouldn't have got a ticket.

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Bonefish Blues said:
Yes but you won't get a ticket if you brake heavily for camera 1 & camera 2 and speed up in between. Must definitely be true because that's what many people do hehe
Very funny, but they've probably not got tickets!

FMOB

1,994 posts

40 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Glassman said:
Yellow Lizud said:
I think the times above are missing their seconds.

It would be great if all images were taken 2 minutes apart. You could charge past camera A at 150mph, when camera B took it's image 2 mins later you'd be long gone!!!
12:32:19

12:34:03

Camera ID 28-739906-23

Camera ID 30-739907-12

First image is of vehicle in L3 overtaking; second shows it in L2.
So about 1.5miles in 104 seconds is approx 50mph, no doubt their distance measurement is more accurate than a pin in Google maps.

The interesting bit is this is 2 cameras on a road with 2 major junctions between them and seemingly no limit to how far apart the start and stop cameras can be, catching speeders is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Is this how speeding ends or prosecutions shoot through the roof exponentially.

outnumbered

4,854 posts

262 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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NFT said:
If that's the system,

I have heard of some being changed to be both A-B and In camera view (New dual cameras) so it could be either in some areas.
There's a sign underneath the camera saying "average speed check" and a speed limit sign for 40mph, so it seems pretty clear these are just the bog standard average speed cameras, nothing new.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.568846,-0.2404295,...


Dave Finney

440 posts

174 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Glassman said:
12:32:19
12:34:03
Camera ID 28-739906-23
Camera ID 30-739907-12
Had you been 2.3 seconds later at the 2nd camera, you probably wouldn't have been contacted (could be slightly +/- 2.3s depending on rounding errors).

It may well be that average speed cameras are having a similar effect to the speed camera vans.


E-bmw

13,231 posts

180 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Glassman said:
I might have this wrong so please feel free to correct me.

NIP for 46 in a 40.

Alleged speed recorded between two cameras. Two images taken two minutes apart. The 'recorded' speed is based on the time it takes to get from camera A to camera B?
and your problem is?........

FMOB

1,994 posts

40 months

Wednesday 6th December 2023
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Dave Finney said:
Glassman said:
12:32:19
12:34:03
Camera ID 28-739906-23
Camera ID 30-739907-12
Had you been 2.3 seconds later at the 2nd camera, you probably wouldn't have been contacted (could be slightly +/- 2.3s depending on rounding errors).

It may well be that average speed cameras are having a similar effect to the speed camera vans.

As they say lies, damn lies and statistics.