New Drivers and speeding
Discussion
Had a conversation recently with a friend's daughter who passed her driving test about 20 months ago.
She received a NIP for 34 in a 30 on the A303.
As it was less than 2 years since she passed her test a speed awareness course was not available.
So, 3 points and £100 fine.
What really hurt was her next insurance premium, which went from £675 pa to £1385.
Of no personal relevance to me but I thought that it might be worth posting this information just in case others have relatives who might be within 2 years of passing their test.
She received a NIP for 34 in a 30 on the A303.
As it was less than 2 years since she passed her test a speed awareness course was not available.
So, 3 points and £100 fine.
What really hurt was her next insurance premium, which went from £675 pa to £1385.
Of no personal relevance to me but I thought that it might be worth posting this information just in case others have relatives who might be within 2 years of passing their test.
Hmm, at a speed of being caught at 34, the car could have been indicating 37, which either way you put it should have been visible to the driver even on a normal analogue gauage, there is even less excuse with more digital displays being present.
Equally, and I might sound a little bit mumsnet saying this, given the amount of ignorance I see on a day to day basis in Kent regarding 30 mph, I do wish they were more strictly enforced given some think it absolutely fine to be knocking on nearer 40 or even 45 mph in 30 zones despite adults, children, dogs etc. being present i.e. whatever you wish to say it, greater risk of vulnerable road users.
The punishment in lower limits frankly fits the crime given the level of risk generally in 30 zones of more vulnerable road users. The other aspect to this is that I find generally those that have a disregard for 30mph are those that then reach an NSL zone a piss around doing 40 - 45 and holding everyone up. Get some confidence and if conditions allow get on with it.
Reading around this it is solely down to the force in question, as opposed to rules regarding new drivers not being allowed speed awareness courses.
Equally, and I might sound a little bit mumsnet saying this, given the amount of ignorance I see on a day to day basis in Kent regarding 30 mph, I do wish they were more strictly enforced given some think it absolutely fine to be knocking on nearer 40 or even 45 mph in 30 zones despite adults, children, dogs etc. being present i.e. whatever you wish to say it, greater risk of vulnerable road users.
The punishment in lower limits frankly fits the crime given the level of risk generally in 30 zones of more vulnerable road users. The other aspect to this is that I find generally those that have a disregard for 30mph are those that then reach an NSL zone a piss around doing 40 - 45 and holding everyone up. Get some confidence and if conditions allow get on with it.
Reading around this it is solely down to the force in question, as opposed to rules regarding new drivers not being allowed speed awareness courses.
Edited by Ninja59 on Thursday 7th December 21:03
My four penneth
I can see that doing 37 in a 30 is likely to be an issue, but no course is amazingly harsh, when education will likely be a far better and more useful penalty. Typical of modern speeding law and rules.
I also happen to think doing 28 in a 30 is damn annoying, and doing 40 in a 30 at 2am is perfectly fine. But that is me, these rules are primarily designed to make money ASWELL as make roads safer, in that order, maybe not the original idea, safety was that, but now, my word most forced and councils but would broke without speeding fines
I can see that doing 37 in a 30 is likely to be an issue, but no course is amazingly harsh, when education will likely be a far better and more useful penalty. Typical of modern speeding law and rules.
I also happen to think doing 28 in a 30 is damn annoying, and doing 40 in a 30 at 2am is perfectly fine. But that is me, these rules are primarily designed to make money ASWELL as make roads safer, in that order, maybe not the original idea, safety was that, but now, my word most forced and councils but would broke without speeding fines
Sebring440 said:
jmn said:
She received a NIP for 34 in a 30 on the A303.
Lots on here may not believe this...?LunarOne said:
I don't know why PH is so resistant to the idea. After all even 1mph over the limit is enforceable, though I don't know of any forces that apply zero tolerance. Still, the 10% + 2mph thing is only a guideline.
Because it hardly happens if ever.And to the other poster, I bet 34 isn't 37 on the speedo.
Oceanrower said:
Sebring440 said:
jmn said:
She received a NIP for 34 in a 30 on the A303.
Lots on here may not believe this...?Nobody has ever been done for 34 in a 30…
jmn said:
Had a conversation recently with a friend's daughter who passed her driving test about 20 months ago.
She received a NIP for 34 in a 30 on the A303.
As it was less than 2 years since she passed her test a speed awareness course was not available.
So, 3 points and £100 fine.
What really hurt was her next insurance premium, which went from £675 pa to £1385.
Of no personal relevance to me but I thought that it might be worth posting this information just in case others have relatives who might be within 2 years of passing their test.
Being a new driver is not a bar to being offered a course, a provisional licence holder can be offered a course, it maybe that particular force have set some of their own internal criteria which is within their remit as the offer of any course is discretionary. It maybe worth contacting them and asking again why no course, bearing in mind the first person you spoke to may well have been an untrained phone bod She received a NIP for 34 in a 30 on the A303.
As it was less than 2 years since she passed her test a speed awareness course was not available.
So, 3 points and £100 fine.
What really hurt was her next insurance premium, which went from £675 pa to £1385.
Of no personal relevance to me but I thought that it might be worth posting this information just in case others have relatives who might be within 2 years of passing their test.
If the NIP really was for 34 which I doubt, it may also be worth querying why they haven’t adhered to the 10% +2, some have been known to quietly drop them when their error is pointed out
Edited by martinbiz on Thursday 7th December 23:59
LunarOne said:
I don't know why PH is so resistant to the idea. After all even 1mph over the limit is enforceable, though I don't know of any forces that apply zero tolerance. Still, the 10% + 2mph thing is only a guideline.
Yes it is only a guideline, but one that is adhered to by all forcesCheesecakeRunner said:
Geffg said:
Never knew you didn’t get the chance of a speed awareness course if held licence less than 2 yrs. Bit harsh that.
Why?You should be pretty f
king aware already, given you’d just passed a test on it very very recently. I think the real issue here is more the insurance jump, than the penalty, although I appreciate that the insurers would be none the wiser if a course was offered.
With that in mind I'd be tempted to query it with them and/or shop around. Historically I've found that 3 points has never affected my insurance much, if at all.
With that in mind I'd be tempted to query it with them and/or shop around. Historically I've found that 3 points has never affected my insurance much, if at all.
QJumper said:
I think the real issue here is more the insurance jump, than the penalty, although I appreciate that the insurers would be none the wiser if a course was offered.
With that in mind I'd be tempted to query it with them and/or shop around. Historically I've found that 3 points has never affected my insurance much, if at all.
I would think they must see it as an indication of being a serious risk of having a claim. Only recently passed test and already done for speeding, and new young drivers are already high risk.With that in mind I'd be tempted to query it with them and/or shop around. Historically I've found that 3 points has never affected my insurance much, if at all.
Would you want to insure them?
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I suspect some porkies are involved here.
34 in a 30? We all know how unlikely that is.
No course offered? Probably because it was actually over the course threshold but still in fixed penalty range.
On the 303 as well, so more likely to be going a bit more quickly through a village/roadworks.
34 in a 30? We all know how unlikely that is.
No course offered? Probably because it was actually over the course threshold but still in fixed penalty range.
On the 303 as well, so more likely to be going a bit more quickly through a village/roadworks.
Edited by VSKeith on Friday 8th December 17:55
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