Parking ticket help
Discussion
Today I recieved a parking ticket (for £60!?) for parking in a public car park.
The reason I had to park there was because a colleague and I were going to a reputable florist in pretty much the centre of town to get some flowers for a friends daughters funeral tomorrow
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=202619
Being near the centre of town there is nowhere to park, and as I dont work/live in town, dont have a permit.
After driving round for 15 mins, we agreed a pub car park about 10 mins walk away would be the 'safest'. There were only three other cars there already, two in front of us then another closer to the entrance.
Having returned to my car and found the lovely patch of yellow, I eventually noticed the notices on the wall of the car park, stating that a permit was needed (on a public car park?).
Had a look at the two cars in front of me, one had a permit displayed, but the one immmediately in front of mine did not. I took a picture of the reg. plate of this car plus one of the windscreen sans permit (its only a camera phone but its still clear to see).
Its possible that the car in front was the owner/landlord of the pub but surely he would still need a permit?
Any chance of at least contesting this as not all the cars had a permit? Ok, there were (not too obvious) signs, but in my mind this was a public car park (I could have been prepared to nip in for a shandy to prove I was a 'customer' :hehe: ), and isnt 60 quid taking the proverbial a bit?
The reason I had to park there was because a colleague and I were going to a reputable florist in pretty much the centre of town to get some flowers for a friends daughters funeral tomorrow
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=202619
Being near the centre of town there is nowhere to park, and as I dont work/live in town, dont have a permit.
After driving round for 15 mins, we agreed a pub car park about 10 mins walk away would be the 'safest'. There were only three other cars there already, two in front of us then another closer to the entrance.
Having returned to my car and found the lovely patch of yellow, I eventually noticed the notices on the wall of the car park, stating that a permit was needed (on a public car park?).
Had a look at the two cars in front of me, one had a permit displayed, but the one immmediately in front of mine did not. I took a picture of the reg. plate of this car plus one of the windscreen sans permit (its only a camera phone but its still clear to see).
Its possible that the car in front was the owner/landlord of the pub but surely he would still need a permit?
Any chance of at least contesting this as not all the cars had a permit? Ok, there were (not too obvious) signs, but in my mind this was a public car park (I could have been prepared to nip in for a shandy to prove I was a 'customer' :hehe: ), and isnt 60 quid taking the proverbial a bit?
How does it fit in with this ealier?
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=205328&f=10&h=0
Signs erected which should give some indication of conditions and which firm being used or you could ask the owner of the land.
Any name of firm on ticket?
If no signs similar to that shown or information that Parking is not allowed/only Permit holders then it could be a try on. But if signs are present then firm may well push for payment recoverable as civil debt at County Court.
dvd
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=205328&f=10&h=0
Signs erected which should give some indication of conditions and which firm being used or you could ask the owner of the land.
Any name of firm on ticket?
If no signs similar to that shown or information that Parking is not allowed/only Permit holders then it could be a try on. But if signs are present then firm may well push for payment recoverable as civil debt at County Court.
dvd
The company's name is EFPN, says they operate on behalf of the landlord of the pub.
Mentioned it when the local MP came in to our local and he said it was the local authority and it would be worth contesting.
Only saw the signs afterwards (on the wall next to where the cars park so most were hidden by them)
Worth sending a letter with copies of the photographs of the other vehicle (plus the actual reason why I had to venture into town, still have the reciept for the flowers)?
p.s. is it normal for a company such as this not to include a phone number on the notice, have no traceable phone number and have a PO box number in the address?
>> Edited by zoe22 on Thursday 8th September 13:51
Mentioned it when the local MP came in to our local and he said it was the local authority and it would be worth contesting.
Only saw the signs afterwards (on the wall next to where the cars park so most were hidden by them)
Worth sending a letter with copies of the photographs of the other vehicle (plus the actual reason why I had to venture into town, still have the reciept for the flowers)?
p.s. is it normal for a company such as this not to include a phone number on the notice, have no traceable phone number and have a PO box number in the address?
>> Edited by zoe22 on Thursday 8th September 13:51
There is a full adrees with company name, Po box No., town and post code.
All payments/enquiries/appeals must be sent to this address etc etc, ooh it has something, Im presuming the name of the bloke who wants to take my money.
Next mission, to see if my printier does decent copies of my crappy camera phone pictures!
All payments/enquiries/appeals must be sent to this address etc etc, ooh it has something, Im presuming the name of the bloke who wants to take my money.
Next mission, to see if my printier does decent copies of my crappy camera phone pictures!
Zoe
By having the sign up (all they have to prove is that they were there and visible if looked for)then by parking you are agreeing to the condition that by parking you will get a ticket.
You can try an appeal by stating signs not immediately apparent. From what you say if looks as if the LA have nothing to do with it - so an appeal will be direct to the enforcing Company. Guess what the reply is going to be.? Will they take further to County Court?
Points for your appeal may be present in the following
www.tinyurl.com/4zen5
which was a ruling in relation to clampers but comments within regarding the signing seem to be applicable to your case.
They have the clampers under some control, these people seem to mushrooming. But bear in mind to some owners of private land, indiscriminate parking also is a pain in the 'R's" and this is one way to resolve.
dvd
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Thursday 8th September 21:02
By having the sign up (all they have to prove is that they were there and visible if looked for)then by parking you are agreeing to the condition that by parking you will get a ticket.
You can try an appeal by stating signs not immediately apparent. From what you say if looks as if the LA have nothing to do with it - so an appeal will be direct to the enforcing Company. Guess what the reply is going to be.? Will they take further to County Court?
Points for your appeal may be present in the following
www.tinyurl.com/4zen5
which was a ruling in relation to clampers but comments within regarding the signing seem to be applicable to your case.
They have the clampers under some control, these people seem to mushrooming. But bear in mind to some owners of private land, indiscriminate parking also is a pain in the 'R's" and this is one way to resolve.
dvd
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Thursday 8th September 21:02
Went to the cop shop today to see if they had had any reports of this 'company' or even if they knew it existed. They hadnt but he did suggest it looked suspect, the whole thing is black and white and seems photocopied for a start and they are usually some colour to the tickets.
Plus it has the EU sign in the top right corner (the blue and yellow starry thing), which he says is unusual as its unlikely to be a European wide company as it just has a PO box number, no real name and no-ones heard of it.
He suggested speaking to the landlord to ask about it and maybe to as their real address as I'm concerned about sending a cheque to that address. Or even write a letter asking them for more details and 'suggesting' legal action, call their bluff a bit, which is what I was thinking anyway.
Grr, I'm crap at writing letters
Plus it has the EU sign in the top right corner (the blue and yellow starry thing), which he says is unusual as its unlikely to be a European wide company as it just has a PO box number, no real name and no-ones heard of it.
He suggested speaking to the landlord to ask about it and maybe to as their real address as I'm concerned about sending a cheque to that address. Or even write a letter asking them for more details and 'suggesting' legal action, call their bluff a bit, which is what I was thinking anyway.
Grr, I'm crap at writing letters
Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff