Merge in turn collision at speed
Merge in turn collision at speed
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DickP

Original Poster:

1,138 posts

172 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Hi,

Probably common query but here is mine.

Two lanes merge into one, road circa 40mph speed limit.

Car A is in lane one doing say 30mph. Car B is in lane two doing say 40mph. Car B begins to pass Car A, and is clear of Car A before the two lanes begin merging into one.

Car A accelerates hard and is now alongside Car B at the merge pinch with an oncoming lane now facing Car B. Car B makes contact with Car A to avoid straying into the oncoming lane and is damaged.

There is forward facing video footage from Car B.

From experiences, what is the likely view an insurer would take?

Thanks,

PhilTyson

101 posts

145 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Sounds like car B drove into car A and would be at fault.

DickP

Original Poster:

1,138 posts

172 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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PhilTyson said:
Sounds like car B drove into car A and would be at fault.
So risking head on collision is the better option?

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

74 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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So car A accelerated to block car B from moving back across?

monthou

5,157 posts

72 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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DickP said:
PhilTyson said:
Sounds like car B drove into car A and would be at fault.
So risking head on collision is the better option?
Braking might be even better.

DickP

Original Poster:

1,138 posts

172 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Seasonal Hero said:
So car A accelerated to block car B from moving back across?
In the scenario described, yes.

DanL

6,574 posts

287 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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DickP said:
PhilTyson said:
Sounds like car B drove into car A and would be at fault.
So risking head on collision is the better option?
Option C is for car B to brake, and pull in behind car A, which is what I’ve done in similar circumstances.

With dash cam footage, I suppose you could then report this to the police…

Mandat

4,381 posts

260 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Sound like car A drove into car B, and would be at fault.

NikBartlett

687 posts

103 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Going to depend on how clear of A is B and how close to the merge point B has completed the overtake before A decides to be a complete %$£% and get alongside. B could brake but depends if there is gap to safely slot into behind A. Reckon insurance company will just go 50-50 on this one unless the Police are interested in some footage and there is enough to prosecute A.

E-bmw

12,044 posts

174 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Sounds like both could easily have done something to avoid the collision, so my personal opinion would be both are equally to blame.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

239 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Was it actually marked/signed as merge in turn?
If not what exactly were the markings?

dundarach

5,930 posts

250 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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E-bmw said:
Sounds like both could easily have done something to avoid the collision, so my personal opinion would be both are equally to blame.
That's how I would see it.

Only a yesterday I braked and whipped in behind only for car A to slow down again, total , however I didn't go ...bang...

As often said on here, two aholes meetings at the same time!


Actual

1,533 posts

128 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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DickP said:
Hi,

Probably common query but here is mine.

Two lanes merge into one, road circa 40mph speed limit.

Car A is in lane one doing say 30mph. Car B is in lane two doing say 40mph. Car B begins to pass Car A, and is clear of Car A before the two lanes begin merging into one.

Car A accelerates hard and is now alongside Car B at the merge pinch with an oncoming lane now facing Car B. Car B makes contact with Car A to avoid straying into the oncoming lane and is damaged.

There is forward facing video footage from Car B.

From experiences, what is the likely view an insurer would take?

Thanks,
How close was the manoeuvre to car A? Car A accelerated hard but if they had kept a steady speed then would car B have required to cross the median lines or hatchings? Rule 1 is always have enough speed and space to complete the manoeuvre no matter what the other knob does to try to stop you.

MitchT

17,089 posts

231 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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This is why I always get in lane as soon as I can. "Merge in turn" only works if Lane 1 isn't occupied by some pathetic handwringer whose mission in life is to stop the "nasty person" in Lane 2 from "pushing in".

Chrisgr31

14,194 posts

277 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Merge in turn only works when the amount of traffic that can pass through the merged lane is not greater than the amount of traffic in the lanes available before the merge and when you don't have an ahole deliberately trying to muck it all up.

Without seeing the dashcam footage it is difficult to give any opinion. If it clearly shows car B was past Car A and Car A sped up to prevent Car B pulling in then I'd say Car A. If however it sped up as it Car B passed and Car B was never in front then it will be 50/50 I suspect

DickP

Original Poster:

1,138 posts

172 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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On move in signage question, let’s go with the common road arrows.

Actual said:
How close was the manoeuvre to car A? Car A accelerated hard but if they had kept a steady speed then would car B have required to cross the median lines or hatchings? Rule 1 is always have enough speed and space to complete the manoeuvre no matter what the other knob does to try to stop you.
Say both cars maintained speed then there would be ample space for the pass and move in with good braking distance being left for Car A behind Car B.

Monkeylegend

28,268 posts

253 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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DickP said:
Hi,

Probably common query but here is mine.

Two lanes merge into one, road circa 40mph speed limit.

Car A is in lane one doing say 30mph. Car B is in lane two doing say 40mph. Car B begins to pass Car A, and is clear of Car A before the two lanes begin merging into one.

Car A accelerates hard and is now alongside Car B at the merge pinch with an oncoming lane now facing Car B. Car B makes contact with Car A to avoid straying into the oncoming lane and is damaged.

There is forward facing video footage from Car B.

From experiences, what is the likely view an insurer would take?

Thanks,
Put the footage up so we can give an informed opinion.

Was there the risk of a collision with a vehicle coming the opposite way if you hadn't pulled over when you did?

DickP

Original Poster:

1,138 posts

172 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Thanks all for the replies, interesting comments!

Vasco

18,009 posts

127 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Might depend on the precise road markings.

In any event, I would brake to avoid any conflict (regardless of who is 'right').

Sheepshanks

38,936 posts

141 months

Friday 29th December 2023
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Did this actually happen or is it hypothetical?