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Jinx

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12,019 posts

290 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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We have had many a rant at the state of our education system of late but I recently found out something that takes the proverbial jammy dodger.
My nephew has just started his last year of junior school (year 6?? in the new system) in which, towards the end of the year, he will have to sit a fairly important exam (sats or something - you can tell its been awhile since I last went to skool).
First day; his new recently qualified teacher announces that no one is to ask her how to spell anything as she is dyslexic.
Now am I the only one who finds this incongruous? I am not saying that no one dyslexic should teach but if you have a disability that effects your capability to do a job, to the degree you announce it on your first day!, then perhaps a different career path should have been chosen.
My question was did she write this on the board with her name? I'm so looking forward to marking my nephew's report card.

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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That does sound a bit absurd. I'm sure they couldn't possibly discriminate against a lysdexic person... (Why did they make dyslexic so difficult to spell?)

love machine

7,609 posts

265 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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Inclusivity. It prevails in the public service.

If you're an Islamic fundamentalist black lefthanded lesbian trombonist, you're sure to get a great job.

On my application for a teaching post, I could demand an interview if I was disabled. Bloody positive discrimination, people should be judged on their ability to do a job, not given concessions because of their victim status.

I wonder if I could get a disabled badge for my colourblindness as it prevents me doing more jobs (really) than some of these s with a gammy leg, etc.

ohopkins

708 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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Why do you think dyslexics should be made to wear an armband a la Nazi Germany and banned from taking jobs ?

So what if a Dyslexic is teaching your child ? Is she an English teacher ? Many dyslexics are excellent at maths and other skills.....so what if she has trouble with some spelling ?

I also bet you are not getting the full context of how this presented to the students. Little Jimmys tales about his school days are rarely accurate.

baskey

14,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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ohopkins said:
Why do you think dyslexics should be made to wear an armband a la Nazi Germany and banned from taking jobs ?

So what if a Dyslexic is teaching your child ? Is she an English teacher ? Many dyslexics are excellent at maths and other skills.....so what if she has trouble with some spelling ?

I also bet you are not getting the full context of how this presented to the students. Little Jimmys tales about his school days are rarely accurate.



if it's like it was in my day, primary school teachers teach everything - one of the most important being spelling.

maybe they'll extend the working day so she can answer all the questions (is this in bad taste?).

>> Edited by baskey on Wednesday 7th September 16:37

Jinx

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12,019 posts

290 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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ohopkins said:
Why do you think dyslexics should be made to wear an armband a la Nazi Germany and banned from taking jobs ?

So what if a Dyslexic is teaching your child ? Is she an English teacher ? Many dyslexics are excellent at maths and other skills.....so what if she has trouble with some spelling ?

I also bet you are not getting the full context of how this presented to the students. Little Jimmys tales about his school days are rarely accurate.


It's a junior school - hence the teachers should be at least competant at the basic three Rs. The afore mentioned story was also confirmed to my sister by numerous sources when she picked my nephew up. This is not about discrimination this is about common sense.

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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After the recent complaints that the 3 R's are not being taught, you don't think teachers being able to spell is an issue? Are you serious?

FunkyNige

9,821 posts

305 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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Jinx said:

My nephew has just started his last year of junior school (year 6?? in the new system) in which, towards the end of the year, he will have to sit a fairly important exam (sats or something - you can tell its been awhile since I last went to skool)


The exams he takes are SATS, they're not at all important (the government have done a good PR job on them hence people think they're important).

timmy30

9,325 posts

257 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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baskey said:
if it's like it was in my day, primary school teachers teach everything - one of the most important being spelling.

maybe they'll extend the working day so she can answer all the questions (is this in bad taste?).

>> Edited by baskey on Wednesday 7th September 16:37


it still is.

This is a classic rights conflict case isn't it, the teachers 'right' not to be disciminated against (even on the basis of not being able to properly do her job) trumps the childrens 'right' to the best possible education, and the taxpayers 'right' to expect their money to be spent in on high quality services.

SlidingSideways

1,345 posts

262 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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Seems a bit daft. Would you really want to fly on a plane piloted by someone who can't fly?
Well, I'm not sure I'd like my kids taught by someone who can't spell.
Equal opportunities is all very good, as long as they can actually do the job, which it sounds like she can't.
My other half qualified this year, it'll be interesting to hear what she thinks of this.

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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We'll have blind taxi drivers next!

fidgits

17,202 posts

259 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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i can see both sides to this...

My missues was a secondary school chemistry teacher, and dyslexic...

She never told the kids however, and when she made mistakes on the board she called them 'deliberate mistakes' to see who would pick up on them..

Perhaps this new teacher is just very unsure - if she is a NQT she's probably bricking it....

baskey

14,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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fidgits said:
i can see both sides to this...

My missues was a secondary school chemistry teacher, and dyslexic...

She never told the kids however, and when she made mistakes on the board she called them 'deliberate mistakes' to see who would pick up on them..

Perhaps this new teacher is just very unsure - if she is a NQT she's probably bricking it....


I do know what you mean but there's a difference between a secondary school chem teacher and a primary school teacher.

Munter

31,331 posts

271 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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fidgits said:

if she is a NQT she's probably bricking it....


NQT = Non Qualified Teacher?

(Also remember GNVQ = Generally Not Very Qualified!)

r988

7,495 posts

259 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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Kids can't spell even with normal teachers so whats the difference.

john75

5,303 posts

277 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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andy mac said:
We'll have blind taxi drivers next!


If you saw how Taxi drivers drive in Norwich I am sure we do.

timmy30

9,325 posts

257 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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FFS, these kids are going to have to compete for jobs with better educated Chinese and Indian graduates who will have been taught the 3Rs, why is it in this country that we think that we have a god given right to sit at the top of the economic food chain congratulating ourselves on how rich we are, even as we sink further and further into debt and become in real terms progressively poorer than the rest of the world?

r988

7,495 posts

259 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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timmy30 said:
FFS, these kids are going to have to compete for jobs with better educated Chinese and Indian graduates who will have been taught the 3Rs, why is it in this country that we think that we have a god given right to sit at the top of the economic food chain congratulating ourselves on how rich we are, even as we sink further and further into debt and become in real terms progressively poorer than the rest of the world?


well said, people dont seem to realise the hard work involved in getting to the top and staying there

percy

677 posts

299 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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Jinx said:

ohopkins said:
Why do you think dyslexics should be made to wear an armband a la Nazi Germany and banned from taking jobs ?

So what if a Dyslexic is teaching your child ? Is she an English teacher ? Many dyslexics are excellent at maths and other skills.....so what if she has trouble with some spelling ?

I also bet you are not getting the full context of how this presented to the students. Little Jimmys tales about his school days are rarely accurate.



It's a junior school - hence the teachers should be at least competant at the basic three Rs. The afore mentioned story was also confirmed to my sister by numerous sources when she picked my nephew up. This is not about discrimination this is about common sense.


As a Primary School teacher myself, I am well aware of how news gets 'twisted' by children and parents alike. However - I cannot agree that it is right for this teacher to be responsible for the education of a Year 6 class, if the story is in fact true.
(In Primary (incl. Junior) schools, the class teacher is usually responsible for teaching ALL subjects.)
Correct spelling and literacy skills are fundamental to the education of our children - right across the curriculum. For any teacher (NQT or not) to come out and say they are not going to help with spelling etc. is just not acceptable. I would be very concerned if this teacher was teaching my son.
The best advice I can give is for your sister to express her concerns to the headteacher. He/she should investigate and take the necessary steps to reassure parents. There maybe nothing to the rumour, but if it is true, then at the very least the teacher should be reprimanded for upsetting and demoralising the pupils.

nonegreen

7,803 posts

300 months

Thursday 8th September 2005
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No such thing as dyslexia. Its a bit like global warming and god. You cant prove the existance of any of them but they all have a huge industry attached to them.