Tyre temperature in Winter

Tyre temperature in Winter

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belfry

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1,000 posts

196 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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It was 3 degrees when I left home on Monday morning. I wishes that I had winter tyres on my car then.
However, after about 30 minutes driving I noticed that the dash was showing that the tyre temperatures were all around 20°C.

I Understand the winter tyres come into their own below about 7°, but what happens when the summer tyres get up to 20°C? Are winters is still more effective at this point or are the summer tyres operating better than winter tyres because of the temperature of the rubber is 20°?

Huff

3,282 posts

205 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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Worry about the road surface temp, not the tyre temp.

Untrafficked roads will easily be 3-5degC colder than air temp, esp overnight, because the surface loses heat by radiation to the cold night sky (/radiant/ temp, c -60degC equiv at Earths surface; and, very clear nights go with low humidity in cold weather)


First out in the morning, tyres at 10-20degC; air temp at 3deg - it is entirely possible, in fact, very very likely, to subsequently hit frost or ice locally on the road surface, 0 to -4C; maybe lower across the bottom of a hill/ valley, where the cold air has pooled downhill overnight: 5miles north of Bath parallel with the A46 is 'Freezing Hill lane' ; name derived from hundreds of years of observation .. and ..it often bloody well is from these factors! I took a BMW sledging there, once .. wink


tl;dr: Tyre temperature has /nothing/ to do with traction at such times. Take care!



Edited by Huff on Wednesday 10th January 21:04

Bobupndown

2,487 posts

57 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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What sort of car tells you the tyre temperatures?

Sebring440

2,685 posts

110 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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Bobupndown said:
What sort of car tells you the tyre temperatures?
Yes, I'm interested to know as well. I've never heard of that before.


Ninja59

3,691 posts

126 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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Bobupndown said:
What sort of car tells you the tyre temperatures?
A lot of in wheel tpms can tell a lot of data even if not presented to the driver.

I know a lot of F series BMWs and later can by a little bit of coding do pressure and temperature quite easily.

shtu

3,889 posts

160 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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Lots, eg, Audis that have actual TPMS sensors in the wheels.

richhead

2,390 posts

25 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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its the outside of the tyre temp that matters, your car is probably telling you the air temp inside the tyre, as a prototype engineere we measure the air temp i the tyre and the outside tyre temp in 3 places out, middle, inner, very usefull info and also tyre pressure, but this is used more for detecting punctures, but is usefull for set up etc

craig1912

3,966 posts

126 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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Sebring440 said:
Yes, I'm interested to know as well. I've never heard of that before.
My BMW 1 series gives tyres pressures and temperatures (standard ie no coding)

And OP it’s the road/outside temp that matters not the tyre temp.

Pica-Pica

15,126 posts

98 months

Wednesday 10th January 2024
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It’s road surface condition that matters. Heresy to say it on PH, but that is more important than outside temperature. As for tyre temperature, I’m not sure that adds more information than tyre pressure.
I did note that my TPMS threw up a low pressure caution when the temperature dropped - all tyre pressures had dropped from the original setting a few months ago. I think a fall of 3 psi is the trigger point. So I got some exercise with my cycle track pump and put the pressures up all round and reset.

Cliftonite

8,565 posts

152 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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belfry said:
It was 3 degrees when I left home on Monday morning. I wishes that I had winter tyres on my car then.
However, after about 30 minutes driving I noticed that the dash was showing that the tyre temperatures were all around 20°C.

I Understand the winter tyres come into their own below about 7°, but what happens when the summer tyres get up to 20°C? Are winters is still more effective at this point or are the summer tyres operating better than winter tyres because of the temperature of the rubber is 20°?
Could it have been 2.0 bar pressure that was showing and not temperature at all?


MustangGT

13,056 posts

294 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Bobupndown said:
What sort of car tells you the tyre temperatures?
Mercedes also does so. I can display the tyre pressures and the temps are also given.

belfry

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1,000 posts

196 months

Friday 12th January 2024
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mirandamilly

83 posts

167 months

Sunday 14th January 2024
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craig1912 said:
Sebring440 said:
And OP it’s the road/outside temp that matters not the tyre temp.
Out of interest why do F1 teams pre heat their tyres?

tapkaJohnD

1,997 posts

218 months

Sunday 14th January 2024
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Because I tow a heavy trailer and have had trailer blowouts, I fitted an after market kit to the trailer wheels and (why not?) the Transit itself. The sensors are alternative valve caps, and the dash readout shows pressure and temperature. Although the sensors are out in the airflow, they do show tyre heat reliably. This has shown a defect - a piece of metal in a side wall - by showing a heat increase before the pressure stated to fall. This allowed me to get off the motorway and change my wheel in a much safer situation.
I wouldn't be without them!
John

Smint

2,299 posts

49 months

Monday 15th January 2024
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tapkaJohnD said:
Because I tow a heavy trailer and have had trailer blowouts, I fitted an after market kit to the trailer wheels and (why not?) the Transit itself. The sensors are alternative valve caps, and the dash readout shows pressure and temperature. Although the sensors are out in the airflow, they do show tyre heat reliably. This has shown a defect - a piece of metal in a side wall - by showing a heat increase before the pressure stated to fall. This allowed me to get off the motorway and change my wheel in a much safer situation.
I wouldn't be without them!
John
Now that's an accessorywell worth having, any chance of a link to where you found that set that genuinely works please.
Presumably the new valve caps must have some sort of power supply inbuilt to transmit the signal? replaceable batteries?

Aunty Pasty

782 posts

52 months

Monday 15th January 2024
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mirandamilly said:
Out of interest why do F1 teams pre heat their tyres?
To get the tyres closer to the correct operating pressure.