Dad offering to pay for my family holiday
Dad offering to pay for my family holiday
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Spare tyre

Original Poster:

12,141 posts

154 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Kids recently started school

Usually had cheapo holidays out of school time

Now we must take them when they are mega expensive


Mentioned to dad that our usual holiday has gone from 1500 to over 4000 just for the booking (excluding travel and ice creams etc)

Dad said “what’s the balance left” - it’s exactly 4000

Now, he’s never helped me financially before and he is getting on a bit. I do a lot for them around the house garden etc and he helps my sister with £££. He has offered to treat us

The TLDR is there any tax implications if he pays for my holiday on his card?

I don’t want to get into dramas of transferring money through bank account and don’t want any raised eyebrows at tax return time etc

Cheers

dontlookdown

2,398 posts

117 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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I am not an accountant or ifa, but my understanding is that it's IHT liability that could be affected here.

I think that parents can gift each of their kids up to £3k pa without any IHT liability, anything over that sum can be added to the value of the estate in the event of the parent dying within 7yrs of the date of the gift.

2HFL

1,595 posts

65 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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He’s literally gifting you some money, very generously, by way of paying the balance of your holiday?

I am sure that’s allowed, so I cannot see why this would have a single tax implication. It’s got sweet FA to do with anyone else!

gotoPzero

20,112 posts

213 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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No issues.

Regular tax does not apply as its a cash gift.

IF he was to die in the next 7 years it *may* fall within IHT rules, but in reality given the sum its not anything to worry about.

Even then, its likely you would be able to claim nil tax under the cash gift allowances as this is the first gift he has given you and you can roll 2 years into one so its still under for IHT.

IMHO. IANANFA>

dontlookdown

2,398 posts

117 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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2HFL said:
He’s literally gifting you some money, very generously, by way of paying the balance of your holiday?

I am sure that’s allowed, so I cannot see why this would have a single tax implication. It’s got sweet FA to do with anyone else!
Parents can gift however much they like to their kids, yes. But there are certainly IHT implications for larger sums. The taxman won't just let you give it all away to avoid IHT;)

Eric Mc

124,991 posts

289 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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If it's out of his regular income, it has no Inheritance Tax implications at all, ever.

If it's out of his "estate", it COULD have IHT implications but there are so many exemptions and reliefs it is most unlikely.

Sheepshanks

39,483 posts

143 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Notwithstanding a few possible corner cases, I find it quite incredible that the question of tax on gifted money seems to come up almost daily on here - do people really think it’s somehow so ‘dodgy’ that they’ve got to find ways of hiding it?

ferret50

2,755 posts

33 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Perhaps invite Gramps and Grandma to go with you, and they make the booking?

PistonHead007

408 posts

55 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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£3,000 annual exemption for this tax year and the last covers the gift so no IHT implications. There'd only be a potential issue if he's worth more than his available nil rate bands anyway. Get on and enjoy.

Spare tyre

Original Poster:

12,141 posts

154 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Cheers all
Just like to be above board etc

I’ll happily accept his kind gift

Eric Mc

124,991 posts

289 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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PistonHead007 said:
£3,000 annual exemption for this tax year and the last covers the gift so no IHT implications. There'd only be a potential issue if he's worth more than his available nil rate bands anyway. Get on and enjoy.
If the gift is out of his annual income, then you don't have to worry about the Annual £3,000 threshold either.

Inheritance Tax (IHT) is ONLY about gifts or inheritances from a person's estate. If the gift is not from their estate, then IHT is of no concern at all.

dontlookdown

2,398 posts

117 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Eric Mc said:
PistonHead007 said:
£3,000 annual exemption for this tax year and the last covers the gift so no IHT implications. There'd only be a potential issue if he's worth more than his available nil rate bands anyway. Get on and enjoy.
If the gift is out of his annual income, then you don't have to worry about the Annual £3,000 threshold either.

Inheritance Tax (IHT) is ONLY about gifts or inheritances from a person's estate. If the gift is not from their estate, then IHT is of no concern at all.
I did not know this (clearly from my answer above!) and it is v handy to know. Tks Eric.

Defcon5

6,460 posts

215 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Eric Mc said:
If the gift is out of his annual income, then you don't have to worry about the Annual £3,000 threshold either.

Inheritance Tax (IHT) is ONLY about gifts or inheritances from a person's estate. If the gift is not from their estate, then IHT is of no concern at all.
At what point does cash from income, sat in an account, become part of an estate?



Eric Mc

124,991 posts

289 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Defcon5 said:
Eric Mc said:
If the gift is out of his annual income, then you don't have to worry about the Annual £3,000 threshold either.

Inheritance Tax (IHT) is ONLY about gifts or inheritances from a person's estate. If the gift is not from their estate, then IHT is of no concern at all.
At what point does cash from income, sat in an account, become part of an estate?
Nobody knows. Each case is different.

Usually it can be determined by looking at the circumstances of the person making the gift - but it can be a bit vague.

pork911

7,365 posts

207 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Eric Mc said:
Defcon5 said:
Eric Mc said:
If the gift is out of his annual income, then you don't have to worry about the Annual £3,000 threshold either.

Inheritance Tax (IHT) is ONLY about gifts or inheritances from a person's estate. If the gift is not from their estate, then IHT is of no concern at all.
At what point does cash from income, sat in an account, become part of an estate?
Nobody knows. Each case is different.

Usually it can be determined by looking at the circumstances of the person making the gift - but it can be a bit vague.
I think you may be mistaken

dontlookdown

2,398 posts

117 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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Do gifts from a private pension count as income? That would seem fairly cut and dried?

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47,775 posts

220 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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OP - I think you may be overthinking this.

The first question is - does he have more than £325k in his estate (excluding his house). If not then there's nothing to worry about. if the answer is yes then there are various other allowances / time limits that will mitigate any tax liability.

As an absolute worst case scenario if he gives you £4,000 then the most you'll need to repay is £1,600(and that's if he drops dead within the next 12 months)

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47,775 posts

220 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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dontlookdown said:
Do gifts from a private pension count as income?
Yes

uknick

1,051 posts

208 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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pork911 said:
Eric Mc said:
Defcon5 said:
Eric Mc said:
If the gift is out of his annual income, then you don't have to worry about the Annual £3,000 threshold either.

Inheritance Tax (IHT) is ONLY about gifts or inheritances from a person's estate. If the gift is not from their estate, then IHT is of no concern at all.
At what point does cash from income, sat in an account, become part of an estate?
Nobody knows. Each case is different.

Usually it can be determined by looking at the circumstances of the person making the gift - but it can be a bit vague.
I think you may be mistaken
Mistaken, how? The question as to whether a gift comes from regular income or capital is a regular one on various tax forums, and there is rarely an exact answer. As Eric said, it all depends on an individual's circumstances.

bitchstewie

64,412 posts

234 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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fk me just go on the holiday.

I'm not even an accountant but if you end up with HMRC coming after you or your dad because he bought you a holiday I'll pay for it myself*

* That may not be true and I might just be saying that for effect