Production S1 - yearly budget / car types

Production S1 - yearly budget / car types

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p490kvp

728 posts

263 months

Monday 12th September 2005
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Good question and I think that the regulations may well be clarified to greater detail for 2006 but in essense Production is for saloon cars (not GT's) that are fairly standard.

Budget for running depends if you want to win or just turn up and take part but I guess if you take a worse case of £5000 per meeting then you'll not be far off the pace.

dank

Original Poster:

1,158 posts

267 months

Wednesday 14th September 2005
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£5000 per race meeting! I assume that includes fuel, transportation. entries etc. etc. Thats serious money. The reason I was asking was that I am trying to see how viable this would be for next year, I thought the production S1 was the cheapest of the Brit car classes? Or maybe this is the cheapest.?

phatgixer

4,988 posts

264 months

Wednesday 14th September 2005
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If you factor in the cost of say one engine / gearbox / diff rebuild, 1 crash damage repair per season, then work out the depreciation of the car and add all that to the cost of (say) 3 sets of tyres per race, Brake consumable, fuel, transport, team, prep time, then even the the tightest budget team must be looking at circa £3-5k per race. You could win though!

Simon Mason

579 posts

284 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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We race very successfully in S1 and it can be done from £2500 but as stated if you want to win you need a very efficeint team and plenty of tyres so £4500 £5000 is about right.

If as I suspect they decide to stay a "CHALLENGE" and not a championship in 06 the rules will frankly mean as much as they do at the moment regardless of what they change. Just make sure what ever you race is only quick enough for class 3 or 4, balast it up if you need to drop pace but if you start going into class 1 and 2 your talking sequential boxes and generally trickier cars despite how they look outside.

p490kvp

728 posts

263 months

Friday 16th September 2005
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dank said:
£5000 per race meeting! I assume that includes fuel, transportation. entries etc. etc. Thats serious money. The reason I was asking was that I am trying to see how viable this would be for next year, I thought the production S1 was the cheapest of the Brit car classes? Or maybe this is the cheapest.?


It would be easier to go about this the other way..how much money do you have to spend?

topwelshman

2,093 posts

258 months

Saturday 17th September 2005
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We looked at this and the best we could get the costs down to was £2,250 / weekend, as mentioned tyres are the biggest cost but it can be done especially if you find a regular supply of cheap Dunlop's, i believe the engine limit is being increased to 3.2 next year so i'd expect most of the Britcar E36 M3's to coming into S1 which would mean even greater costs if you want to be competitive!

p490kvp

728 posts

263 months

Sunday 18th September 2005
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Tyres are always going to be the biggest single expense and having a single tyre supplier means that cost is going to be higher as you can't do a deal with another supplier who has a desire to get involved.

I can see what Dunlop get out of the tyre deal but where does it benefit the racers?

scuffham

20,887 posts

289 months

Sunday 18th September 2005
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p490kvp said:
I can see what Dunlop get out of the tyre deal but where does it benefit the racers?


exactly.....

Simon Mason

579 posts

284 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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scuffham said:

p490kvp said:
I can see what Dunlop get out of the tyre deal but where does it benefit the racers?



exactly.....



Thats not fair, they do give us a choice of instant coffee's.

nildram

293 posts

276 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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Do they offer decaff?

p490kvp

728 posts

263 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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Exactly - so I take it that people would be happy with a free for all on tyres? I think then you would see the pricing more competitive as they had to fight for business and even free product from tyre companies keen to make an impression.

pauljc

520 posts

252 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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Ok, now I realize why people have been putting (P490KVP) after mentioning Phil Bennett on other threads. lol Well done in the 24'er.

dank

Original Poster:

1,158 posts

267 months

Thursday 22nd September 2005
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I am lost, does that mean P490KVP IS Phil Bennett?

phatgixer

4,988 posts

264 months

Thursday 22nd September 2005
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dank said:
I am lost, does that mean P490KVP IS Phil Bennett?



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