RE: TVR Sagaris | PH Private Area
RE: TVR Sagaris | PH Private Area
Tuesday 23rd January 2024

TVR Sagaris | PH Private Area

Probably the best Speed Six TVR there was, in a sensational spec - form an orderly queue


It would be fair to say that the future of TVR doesn’t look all that rosy. The optimism and excitement around the 2017 rebirth now seem like very distant memories. With the exclusive rights to the Ebbw Vale factory now lost, it’s hard to see how the 'new' Griffith would ever reach production; frankly, too much time has passed and too much has changed since that grand reveal at the Goodwood Revival almost seven years ago anyway. Pity - there’s no sports car brand we’d like to see succeed more. But the cookie, you suspect, has long since crumbled. 

On the other hand, what’s looking better by the day is the lineup of old TVRs. Cars that were designed as the raw, unfiltered, exhilarating alternative to the norm were exciting back when everything on wheels was a bit more fun; they appeal more than ever in an increasingly stale modern world. Imagine how thrilling a sports car legendary for its atavistic nature is going to feel at a time of boost buttons, brake by wire and sound augmentation?

TVR certainly saved the best until last, the final Tuscans and the Sagaris renowned as the most sorted sports cars to ever leave Blackpool - with prices now reflecting that. The Sagaris in particular feels like a classic case of what might have been; an entire lineup that looked as incredible and drove as well as the 2005-06 flagship would have been something very special indeed. 

Almost 20 years on, nothing draws a crowd in the UK quite like a Sagaris. In any colour, the dramatic slashes to the bonnet, the superbike cans for exhausts and race car ride height ensured drama above and beyond even TVR's default level. For a long time, the cars had been embarrassing supercars with their performance - the Sagaris actually looked like it deserved a place among the world's exotica. 

On PH right now there are Sagarises in blue, yellow, red, orange… but only one in Spectraflair Copper. Indeed this is the only Sagaris in this colour ever made,  a fact apparently verified by the factory, which is cool. As with so many of these flip paints, it’s a colour that works best in sunlight, so there’d be no excuse to have it tucked away in a garage over the summer. The Copper is paired with a stunning interior combination of Saddle and Biscuit leather with Oatmeal carpets; sounds more Jag XKR than TVR, but it works alright.

This Sagaris holds additional appeal as a car from the factory with the close ratio gearbox, which ought to make acceleration from the 400hp straight six even more vivid, and low mileage of just 13,250. It’s being sold by a serial TVR owner (they do tend to get under your skin, right?) who reckons it may well be the best one he’s had - thanks in part to a proper geo set-up. 

It's being sold with a full service history, the factory build sheet, two keys and every single bill in chronological order. You don’t tend to find TVRs that haven’t been loved these days, especially now they’re all worth a little bit more money, though the dedication and affection on show here is considerable. The bad points extend to a couple of small marks on the wheels that have been filled in (tell us when you see them) and some microblistering on the roof, which is said to be common. In short, this Sagaris looks an absolute stunner. 

Because of that condition, and the mileage, this is one of the more expensive Sags on TVR currently, at £80k. (One is for sale at more than £90,000.) But the fact there isn’t one at less than £70k shows just how revered the final TVR now is; the car was too good, and the chances of it every being followed up too bleak for it to be anything but highly prized. A one-of-one spec only makes it even more desirable. And there’s the possibility of using a less valuable TVR in part exchange; if 2024 is the year to upgrade, there will surely be no better opportunity…


SPECIFICATION | TVR SAGARIS

Engine: 3,996cc, straight-six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 412@7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 349@5,000rpm
MPG: Next...
CO2: 406g/km
First registered: 2005
Recorded mileage: 13,250
Price new: £49,995
Yours for: £79,995

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Iamnotkloot

Original Poster:

1,907 posts

177 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Looks lovely but the price is a bit much (like all 2nd hand exotics I guess).

zorba_the_greek

1,136 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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cloud9

Hungrymc

7,395 posts

167 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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These are glorious.
They also make T350s look great value as they are only slightly less glorious.

Limpet

6,624 posts

191 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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The sheer wow factor of these hasn't diminished with the years. Bonkers thing.




Red6

657 posts

86 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Absolutely love these. They sound brutal.

Quhet

2,936 posts

176 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Bonkers styling, but it still looks really fresh to my eye. The interior lets it down a bit of me but a Sag could definitely pass for a much younger car, design-wise.

SS427 Camaro

8,636 posts

200 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Stunner ! As a serial TVR owner and fan, I have sadly missed the boat on these. Whether it’s worth another 3 times more than the money needed to buy a half decent Griff 500, I doubt, but if money were no object……

S600BSB

8,394 posts

136 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Fantastic cars.

Water Fairy

6,603 posts

185 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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My dream Trevor having had a couple of V8 wedges.

I won't suggest it will break down, but I will suggest you'll need a decent slush fund to maintain this properly.

Lurverly.


CharliesTTS

369 posts

69 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Yes please

Retro.74

322 posts

53 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Absolutely love that, that side profile is just fantastic, as is the colour. I'm sure it will have the noise to match.

The interior isn't my favourite but had to have a little chuckle in a good way at the description, never heard anything like it...'Saddle and biscuit full hide, carpets in oatmeal, bound in biscuit' smile

CABC

6,300 posts

131 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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fast barges won't be worth much in future as EVs have that segment nailed. Cars like these will become revered.

Augustus Windsock

3,793 posts

185 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Saw a black one down towards Staffordshire a couple of months ago, the roads were horrible and the Sag was covered in road dirt, driven by a lady who was obviously enjoying the car as it was meant to be enjoyed, irrespective of the filthy conditions.
I’d love one but could I justify the extra £££ over a mint Tuscan or a 4.0 converted T350? No, but then, they aren’t about making a rational decision, are they…

spikyone

1,913 posts

130 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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CABC said:
fast barges won't be worth much in future as EVs have that segment nailed. Cars like these will become revered.
You'd take an EV over a V8/V12 GT? I certainly wouldn't.

Fair play to anyone that buys this. They are fabulous-looking cars and sound incredible. I'm not sure I'd have the balls to buy one, I'm pretty sure I lack the driving skills to keep it pointed in the right direction. I'd have it in a different colour if I were to buy one. Pearlescent brown, whatever you want to call it, doesn't appeal to me at all, and doubling down with a 50 shades of brown interior is a bit much.

CABC

6,300 posts

131 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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spikyone said:
You'd take an EV over a V8/V12 GT? I certainly wouldn't.

Fair play to anyone that buys this. They are fabulous-looking cars and sound incredible. I'm not sure I'd have the balls to buy one, I'm pretty sure I lack the driving skills to keep it pointed in the right direction. I'd have it in a different colour if I were to buy one. Pearlescent brown, whatever you want to call it, doesn't appeal to me at all, and doubling down with a 50 shades of brown interior is a bit much.
I suspect future interest in big/heavy V12s will be limited. Certainly for cars to be actually used rather than investment class Ferraris or AMs.
big engined lighter cars of pure theatre from a bygone age would be a real contrast to the highly competent daily EV. EVs do smooth big torque, so that's the big Mercs and BMWs with their uninspiring cockpits looking a little lost for purpose, except nostalgia. 400hp with a spaceship interior weighing just over a tonne, now that's something for a Sunday drive. Not saying I don't like a V12, but the appeal is often one dimensional with the rest of the car being less inspiring. I just believe that in 20yrs time cars like the Sagaris will tick a lot more boxes than a standard V12 GT car.

jwwbowe

705 posts

202 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Every time I ponder a lotto win garage there’s a Sag in it. cloud9 Brilliant things, a late Tuscan 2 with the updated headlights would run it close though, think whatever was the best example available of either or at the time would swing it, doubt you’d feel short changed with either. Crying shame they’ve gone and the new ownership seems to have vanished.

kambites

71,483 posts

251 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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It's lovely, but I think I'd rather have a Tamora for the ability to drop the roof and an awful lot of change, even if it is far less dramatic looking.

Robertb

3,855 posts

268 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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CABC said:
spikyone said:
You'd take an EV over a V8/V12 GT? I certainly wouldn't.

Fair play to anyone that buys this. They are fabulous-looking cars and sound incredible. I'm not sure I'd have the balls to buy one, I'm pretty sure I lack the driving skills to keep it pointed in the right direction. I'd have it in a different colour if I were to buy one. Pearlescent brown, whatever you want to call it, doesn't appeal to me at all, and doubling down with a 50 shades of brown interior is a bit much.
I suspect future interest in big/heavy V12s will be limited. Certainly for cars to be actually used rather than investment class Ferraris or AMs.
big engined lighter cars of pure theatre from a bygone age would be a real contrast to the highly competent daily EV. EVs do smooth big torque, so that's the big Mercs and BMWs with their uninspiring cockpits looking a little lost for purpose, except nostalgia. 400hp with a spaceship interior weighing just over a tonne, now that's something for a Sunday drive. Not saying I don't like a V12, but the appeal is often one dimensional with the rest of the car being less inspiring. I just believe that in 20yrs time cars like the Sagaris will tick a lot more boxes than a standard V12 GT car.
But there are no EV equivalents being made now of big V12 GTs.

I don’t even know of any planned except the RR Spectre.

They are all (Taycan and Audi GT E Tron) SUVs or nondescript hatches.


PGNSagaris

3,046 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Water Fairy said:
My dream Trevor having had a couple of V8 wedges.

I won't suggest it will break down, but I will suggest you'll need a decent slush fund to maintain this properly.

Lurverly.
By some margin the least expensive and most reliable of all three TVR’s I owned. Fabulous car. A real event and that’s the thing with TVR’s, they’re as fun at 30mph as they are at 130. I’d love another but living in central London, ULEZ is a problem

scorcher

4,125 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Exterior is exactly how a TVR should be, but I couldn’t live with that colour interior🤮 Probably still take a nice late Tuscan full convertible over a Sag despite the glorious looks.