I can't map this, it's already been mapped
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Is the conversion I had today regarding my L405 Range Rover SDV8. Something totally undetectable (I did think it pulled well) and I wasn't aware when I bought it last September.
Got me thinking, how many people are innocently driving about in their mapped cars? Unaware of the implications. Actually, what implications? How would they know?
Got me thinking, how many people are innocently driving about in their mapped cars? Unaware of the implications. Actually, what implications? How would they know?
Reminds me of when I was 17 and I had an Aprilia rs125 motorbike, on a restricted licence. I passed my test and took it in to get de-restricted, looking forward to the massive boost in speed. Only it had never been restricted in the first place and rather than 11bhp I’d been riding with 33bhp the whole time!
riskyj said:
Presumably if you attempted to get it serviced at a main dealer, they’d tell you pretty quickly, refuse to do any software updates and tell you that your warranty was void?
Considering it has a full Land Rover service history I seriously doubt that. When these mapping firms say it's undetectable, it must be. The chap today said he had no idea until he sent the download from the ECU to base for a remap.
In the case of fairly modern diesels then lots will be mapped. Not sure anybody ever really “removes” a map prior to sale. All my Sprinter vans are mapped from new, dealer has never said a word. The map simply fills in all the holes in the bottom of the torque curve, which are there for emissions reasons, and liberates a bit more power. Vans are much nicer to drive, especially at low speed and in traffic, use no more fuel what’s not to like. Most big SUV’s benefit from a remap. My V10 Toerag was mapped before I bought it, the seller who had had it from new never said a word, there was an invoice for it in the file of bills that came with it. Happy days saved me doing it.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Is the conversion I had today regarding my L405 Range Rover SDV8. Something totally undetectable (I did think it pulled well) and I wasn't aware when I bought it last September.
Got me thinking, how many people are innocently driving about in their mapped cars? Unaware of the implications. Actually, what implications? How would they know?
Presumably your insurer wouldn't be keen on an undeclared modification.Got me thinking, how many people are innocently driving about in their mapped cars? Unaware of the implications. Actually, what implications? How would they know?
CraigyMc said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Is the conversion I had today regarding my L405 Range Rover SDV8. Something totally undetectable (I did think it pulled well) and I wasn't aware when I bought it last September.
Got me thinking, how many people are innocently driving about in their mapped cars? Unaware of the implications. Actually, what implications? How would they know?
Presumably your insurer wouldn't be keen on an undeclared modification.Got me thinking, how many people are innocently driving about in their mapped cars? Unaware of the implications. Actually, what implications? How would they know?
I have never ever in 40+ years of driving ever had an insurance company turn up and demand to remove my ECU for testing, before or after any accidents.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Which is the point of this thread. If I had not decided to get it mapped, with all the associated declarations, and had thought I just had a RR SDV8 that was bog standard, how would they know or how would I know I hadn't declared it?
I have never ever in 40+ years of driving ever had an insurance company turn up and demand to remove my ECU for testing, before or after any accidents.
Case Study 5 here describes a motorist who hadn't declared aftermarket alloy wheels. The insurer voided the policy but the Ombudsman told them to reinstate it as she'd bought the car secondhand and "a reasonable consumer" wouldn't be expected to know which alloys are factory equipment on each grade of car.I have never ever in 40+ years of driving ever had an insurance company turn up and demand to remove my ECU for testing, before or after any accidents.
https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/data-insigh...
Taking that precedent, while the insurer could discover that your car had been modified, it wouldn't do them any good unless they could prove that you knew about it, as an invisible mod like that wouldn't be obvious to our friend the "reasonable consumer".
greysquirrel said:
Reminds me of when I was 17 and I had an Aprilia rs125 motorbike, on a restricted licence. I passed my test and took it in to get de-restricted, looking forward to the massive boost in speed. Only it had never been restricted in the first place and rather than 11bhp I’d been riding with 33bhp the whole time!
I have had a few Aprilia RS and had them on the dyno, the majority of de-restricted bikes went very well and they make a genuine 24-26hp on average, you actually have to do a fair amount of work to get a real 33hp. I had one with lectron 34mm carb, zeeltronic ignition with a much more aggressive map than the RS cdi, 140kit ported and the squish set to just under 1mm, reeds, proper air box and filter and that just managed over 30hp on a dyno.The marketing and teenage butt dynos gave them 33hp and some massive claimed top speeds due to the wildly optimistic speedo. Great bikes though and very quick for 125’s.
I have a mito 125 with a tzr 250 tuned engine in it. The standard tzr 250 managed about 40 genuine hp.
Pure rumour mill stuff but I was told by a reliable enough source without an agenda.
I’ve no proof it is true so take it with a pinch of salt. I certainly do but enough to put the doubt on my head.
Story goes of a relative of well known tuner here in N.I crashed his Cupra which resulted in some serious injuries to others. Insurance company investigated and invalidated his insurance and he got a prison sentence. Was mentioned in court car had been remapped and contributed to sentence.
Now I’ve no idea of the circumstances of the accident or how modified the car was and if stuff was declared etc. Enough to put the doubt in my head however so no longer remap my cars.
I’d run a quote and if it wasn’t much more declare it on my insurance just so I’d sleep better
I’ve no proof it is true so take it with a pinch of salt. I certainly do but enough to put the doubt on my head.
Story goes of a relative of well known tuner here in N.I crashed his Cupra which resulted in some serious injuries to others. Insurance company investigated and invalidated his insurance and he got a prison sentence. Was mentioned in court car had been remapped and contributed to sentence.
Now I’ve no idea of the circumstances of the accident or how modified the car was and if stuff was declared etc. Enough to put the doubt in my head however so no longer remap my cars.
I’d run a quote and if it wasn’t much more declare it on my insurance just so I’d sleep better
... riskyj said:
Presumably if you attempted to get it serviced at a main dealer, they’d tell you pretty quickly, refuse to do any software updates and tell you that your warranty was void?
This.Had an ECU recall outstanding on my 120d. Took it in and they told me they'd need to delete the remap, in order to carry out the works.
"What remap?"
"No idea mate. But you have one".
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king thing never ran the same after that. Gutted.riskyj said:
Presumably if you attempted to get it serviced at a main dealer, they’d tell you pretty quickly, refuse to do any software updates and tell you that your warranty was void?
Most dealers wouldn't have a clue, lets say the OEM ECU software was version 2.0 for example, a good mapper will use the standard file so it will still show 2.0, its only when the dealer flashes update 2.1 for example then the customer says hold on a second my cars slow again.the-norseman said:
riskyj said:
Presumably if you attempted to get it serviced at a main dealer, they’d tell you pretty quickly, refuse to do any software updates and tell you that your warranty was void?
Most dealers wouldn't have a clue, lets say the OEM ECU software was version 2.0 for example, a good mapper will use the standard file so it will still show 2.0, its only when the dealer flashes update 2.1 for example then the customer says hold on a second my cars slow again.the-norseman said:
Plenty of my SEAT/Cupra went back in with maps on them, some went in with decat downpipes, bigger intercoolers, hybrid turbos etc.
Know for a fact (from the tuners mouth) that a certain large SEAT dealership in Belfast had their test drive Cupra cars remapped to sell more. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff