Where's the bottom?

[GG33]

Cant help noticing the market seems to dropping for DB11's (and also Vanquish - although very few on the market right now)
Opinions on how low the market will go and will Vanquish II rebound? My guess is DB11 will fall further with release of DB12
Discuss.... :-)

[Calinours]

I’ve thought for a while now that the V8 engined DB11 will take a hit on release of the V8-only DB12, but the V12 engined DB11, for so long perversely seen as somehow a poor relation to the V8s will hit a floor and stay there, perhaps before starting to rise at some point given that it’s unlikely that there will ever again be a relatively ‘cheap’ V12 offered by AML.

The cheapest DB11 are now sub £70k in the UK - but interestingly, and for the first time, the cheapest non cat N car on the market is for the first time a V8.

Edited by Calinours on Friday 26th January 15:45

[Simpo Two]

This may be a stupid question, but if someone needed to re-engine a DB9 and V12s were impossible to find, would the DB11's V8 be anywhere close to fitting?

[GG33]

Unless the engine is destroyed, it would be easier and cheaper to get it rebuilt. I'm sure the V8 would physically fit, but you would have no end of problems with the various ECS's, wiring, gearbox etc. You would end up with a Frankenstein car that would probably be worthless.

[LTP]

Simpo Two said:

This may be a stupid question, but if someone needed to re-engine a DB9 and V12s were impossible to find, would the DB11's V8 be anywhere close to fitting?

I'm guessing, but physically the block and heads are probably close. But then you have to add on ancillaries like the turbos (it's not a hot-V), the inlet ducting and filters, and the additional charge air coolers, plus you have to make it talk to the car electronically, considering the 5.2 V12 is using the Merc electrical architecture and the 6.0 n/a V12 is using (I think) Bosch and the old AML architecture.

If it'll physically go in without carving up the aluminium tub too badly you could probably make it run on a stand-alone ECU, a bit like the guy who put a 700 bhp LS motor into a Vantage. Then you'd have to worry if the extra power and torque would eat the prop or gearbox.

[Jon39]

Just thinking ahead and trying to use logic.

AML will obviously own the rights to the V12 block and head, and they contracted out the manufacture and assembly, initially Cologne then Wellingborough.

Aston Martin Works I think can now supply new historic online 6 engines.
Perhaps the rights aspect no longer applies in that instance, but as Works is an AML subsidiary, permission would surely be provided if necessary.

Looking ahead then, Works will probably be supplying VH engines in the years to come.
As AML are no longer selling rebuilt exchange engines, perhaps they ought to create extra revenue by getting Works to have some new ones built now.

[Jay_Davis]

II think the DB12 and the upcoming new cars are and will hut the values on the DB11 and current DBS because for someone looking at a more modern car the DB12 seems to be a significant improvement.

I'm not sure this is what is affecting the Vanquish. I suspect it is more of the overall correction from the over-inflated prices from the pandemic and a result of the higher interest rates.

[PinkHouse]

Jay_Davis said:

II think the DB12 and the upcoming new cars are and will hut the values on the DB11 and current DBS because for someone looking at a more modern car the DB12 seems to be a significant improvement.

I'm not sure this is what is affecting the Vanquish. I suspect it is more of the overall correction from the over-inflated prices from the pandemic and a result of the higher interest rates.

I still think the DBSS is the best looking car they've made recently and would 100% have one over the DB12

[CSK1]

I think so too. DBS Superleggera is a very special car.

[AstonV]

Jon39 said:

Just thinking ahead and trying to use logic.

AML will obviously own the rights to the V12 block and head, and they contracted out the manufacture and assembly, initially Cologne then Wellingborough.

Aston Martin Works I think can now supply new historic online 6 engines.
Perhaps the rights aspect no longer applies in that instance, but as Works is an AML subsidiary, permission would surely be provided if necessary.

Looking ahead then, Works will probably be supplying VH engines in the years to come.
As AML are no longer selling rebuilt exchange engines, perhaps they ought to create extra revenue by getting Works to have some new ones built now.

I believe you meant inline 6?

[Jon39]

Simpo Two said:

This may be a stupid question, but if someone needed to re-engine a DB9 and V12s were impossible to find, would the DB11's V8 be anywhere close to fitting?

The 5.2 V12 T is still in production.
Does that suggest AML would sell one ?