Not just London ulez

[Giantt]

For those who say...'its a London problem
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

[swisstoni]

On the face of it, as presented, a benign movement towards energy saving and low emissions.

The devil, of course, is in the detail of what this would mean to ordinary people.

Reading into the details it’s an attempt to increase the power of local authorities to attract government funds and to further control people’s lives under the glorious banner of Net Zero.

Edited by swisstoni on Monday 29th January 19:34

[oldaudi]

Bristol is loving this type of enforcement. I know someone who sits on the Council and openly admitting that they’ve discussed preventing vehicles with certain emissions, not only just being prevented by the CAZ from travelling through the city but also by their weight.

The aim I assume is to prevent big SUV and Heavy EV from causing further damages to our bridges. They’ve already pushed out lots of local businesses to create no or low traffic areas such as the new “Temple Quarter”

We have LTN being planned in many areas. The A4 road between Bath and Bristol will remove parking for all of the vehicles that run the length of it so a cycle path and a bus lane can be installed. Making the dual carriageway into a single lane etc. WECA will enforce this and the locals are fuming because they’ll have nowhere to park their car. No off street parking etc

. https://b2b.haveyoursaywest.co.uk/index.php?conten...

Edited by oldaudi on Monday 29th January 19:29

[samoht]

The linked page is basically saying that local councils don't have the powers to impose restrictions on carbon emissions.

[georgeyboy12345]

Looks good. Get rid of all these nasty old diesels, they stink.

[Mad Maximus]

I agree with ulez and all pollutant reduction methods but I think like car tax it should begin for cars sold from the date implemented.

[Sigmamark7]

oldaudi said:

Bristol is loving this type of enforcement. I know someone who sits on the Council and openly admitting that they’ve discussed preventing vehicles with certain emissions, not only just being prevented by the CAZ from travelling through the city but also by their weight.

The aim I assume is to prevent big SUV and Heavy EV from causing further damages to our bridges. They’ve already pushed out lots of local businesses to create no or low traffic areas such as the new “Temple Quarter”

We have LTN being planned in many areas. The A4 road between Bath and Bristol will remove parking for all of the vehicles that run the length of it so a cycle path and a bus lane can be installed. Making the dual carriageway into a single lane etc. WECA will enforce this and the locals are fuming because they’ll have nowhere to park their car. No off street parking etc

. https://b2b.haveyoursaywest.co.uk/index.php?conten...

Edited by oldaudi on Monday 29th January 19:29

Got to love Bristol. My stepdaughter has a 2013 Citroen C3 diesel which which sips fuel and requires no car tax, but has to pay the ULEZ charge. I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport diesel, which guzzles fuel and costs a fortune in car tax, but is ULEZ free!
Thankfully, I rarely have to go into Bristol, but she works at St Michael’s hospital so has to travel in regularly. I guess that the quest for clean air in the centre is working, because she has to park in Bradley Stoke and catch a bus the rest of the way.

[Scrump]

I am not understanding why the OP linked to that webpage to show that ULEZ is not just a London problem. Plenty of other cities in the UK already have a CAZ (which are virtually Identical to the London ULEZ).
Bristol tried to introduce a CAZ which had differing criteria than the ULEZ and other CAZ, they tried to ban all diesels (including Euro6), it found out they didn’t have the power to set their own criteria so had to change the CAZ to follow the standard (petrols Euro4 and diesels Euro6, or newer are not charged.).

[braddo]

Sigmamark7 said:

a 2013 Citroen C3 diesel which which sips fuel and requires no car tax, but has to pay the ULEZ charge. I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport diesel, which guzzles fuel and costs a fortune in car tax, but is ULEZ free!

It's simple - the citroen will be emitting more NOx than your compliant Range Rover. And a Citroen C3 petrol will emit a tiny fraction of the NOx that the diesels are emitting.

Clean air zones are not about fuel consumption, they're about limiting NOx emissions, which are the big problem for local air quality. Same reasons for the low motorway speed limits across the bridge. Diesels are the problem.

[hungry_hog]

You would imagine Oxford and Brighton will be itching to implement - their local councils see cars as the spawn of Satan

[plfrench]

hungry_hog said:

You would imagine Oxford and Brighton will be itching to implement - their local councils see cars as the spawn of Satan

Oxford already went a step further and have a ZEZ (Zero Emission Zone)

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/zez

[Rough101]

Sigmamark7 said:

Got to love Bristol. My stepdaughter has a 2013 Citroen C3 diesel which which sips fuel and requires no car tax, but has to pay the ULEZ charge. I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport diesel, which guzzles fuel and costs a fortune in car tax, but is ULEZ free!
Thankfully, I rarely have to go into Bristol, but she works at St Michael’s hospital so has to travel in regularly. I guess that the quest for clean air in the centre is working, because she has to park in Bradley Stoke and catch a bus the rest of the way.

In Glasgow she couldn’t even pay, you get an escalating fine for having old EURO emissions specs in the zone.

[Sigmamark7]

Rough101 said:

Sigmamark7 said:

Got to love Bristol. My stepdaughter has a 2013 Citroen C3 diesel which which sips fuel and requires no car tax, but has to pay the ULEZ charge. I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport diesel, which guzzles fuel and costs a fortune in car tax, but is ULEZ free!
Thankfully, I rarely have to go into Bristol, but she works at St Michael’s hospital so has to travel in regularly. I guess that the quest for clean air in the centre is working, because she has to park in Bradley Stoke and catch a bus the rest of the way.

In Glasgow she couldn’t even pay, you get an escalating fine for having old EURO emissions specs in the zone.

Ouch! Maybe she just needs to count her blessings.

[Silvanus]

braddo said:

Sigmamark7 said:

a 2013 Citroen C3 diesel which which sips fuel and requires no car tax, but has to pay the ULEZ charge. I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport diesel, which guzzles fuel and costs a fortune in car tax, but is ULEZ free!

It's simple - the citroen will be emitting more NOx than your compliant Range Rover. And a Citroen C3 petrol will emit a tiny fraction of the NOx that the diesels are emitting.

Clean air zones are not about fuel consumption, they're about limiting NOx emissions, which are the big problem for local air quality. Same reasons for the low motorway speed limits across the bridge. Diesels are the problem.

I still find it odd on a car forum that people still don't know the difference between NOx and CO2 when it comes to tax an low emission zones.

[vikingaero]

The Local Authorities can and will do what they want. The problem is very much for those who live and work in those cities as they become the captive cash cow. Am I missing out by not going to say Bristol? No.

[Randy Winkman]

Scrump said:

I am not understanding why the OP linked to that webpage to show that ULEZ is not just a London problem. Plenty of other cities in the UK already have a CAZ (which are virtually Identical to the London ULEZ).
Bristol tried to introduce a CAZ which had differing criteria than the ULEZ and other CAZ, they tried to ban all diesels (including Euro6), it found out they didn’t have the power to set their own criteria so had to change the CAZ to follow the standard (petrols Euro4 and diesels Euro6, or newer are not charged.).

And the London ULEZ plan is ages old since BJ announced it in 2015.

[Pishtonhead]

The Glasgow version is pish as it’s an immediate fine that doubles each time. There is no way to pay to go in if you needed to for a one off.
We have a 2009 Crv diesel that’s used occasionally for dog and dump runs as the missus has an SLC.
We couldn’t use it to go into Glasgow when dropping the other car off for a service as it was in the zone. I had to just drive Slc up and wait half a day on it. Would have been better to pay £10 twice for drop off and then pick up. Not the £68 fine twice.

[Giantt]

Scrump said:

I am not understanding why the OP linked to that webpage to show that ULEZ is not just a London problem. Plenty of other cities in the UK already have a CAZ (which are virtually Identical to the London ULEZ).
Bristol tried to introduce a CAZ which had differing criteria than the ULEZ and other CAZ, they tried to ban all diesels (including Euro6), it found out they didn’t have the power to set their own criteria so had to change the CAZ to follow the standard (petrols Euro4 and diesels Euro6, or newer are not charged.).

Very often when ulez comes up people say'its London/ I don't live there',I'm pointing out that at least one hundred councils are looking to push forward this agenda,I hadn't heard of this group till yesterday n thought it was worthy of attention,your understanding is not required thanks

[SJfW]

Sigmamark7 said:

Rough101 said:

Sigmamark7 said:

Got to love Bristol. My stepdaughter has a 2013 Citroen C3 diesel which which sips fuel and requires no car tax, but has to pay the ULEZ charge. I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport diesel, which guzzles fuel and costs a fortune in car tax, but is ULEZ free!
Thankfully, I rarely have to go into Bristol, but she works at St Michael’s hospital so has to travel in regularly. I guess that the quest for clean air in the centre is working, because she has to park in Bradley Stoke and catch a bus the rest of the way.

In Glasgow she couldn’t even pay, you get an escalating fine for having old EURO emissions specs in the zone.

Ouch! Maybe she just needs to count her blessings.

Expanding out to Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh later this year.

As Rough101 says, no option to pay a fee, straight to fines. £60 first time, £120 second, £240 third, £480 thereafter.

Yes, you didn’t misread, £480 thereafter every time you enter the zone and it doesn’t reset until you stay out the zone for 90 days.

Commercial vehicle rates are double, consequently a good number of businesses have effectively been forced to stop working with city centre venues. They can’t afford the upgrade to a van with Euro6 compliance and there’s no chance customers would accept the scale of surcharge required to cover the fines otherwise.

[DonkeyApple]

One needs to be careful of the powers granted to regional entities due to their propensity to target the less well off via regressive taxation. National/central car policies tend to be less regressive and target those more able to pay and to change.