RE: Mazda RX-8 R3 | Spotted
RE: Mazda RX-8 R3 | Spotted
Wednesday 14th February 2024

Mazda RX-8 R3 | Spotted

Still no sign of a pure-rotary sports car on the horizon. Here's how things used to be...


Mazda has been dangling the return of rotary-powered sports cars in front of us for the best part of a decade. It all started with the RX-Vision in 2015, an achingly pretty two-door coupe that, while a concept, didn’t appear to need much tweaking to get it production ready. Then, just last November, the company revealed another rotary sports car concept that seemed to preview the next generation of MX-5. There was a catch, however, as the twin-rotor combustion engine didn’t power the rear wheels, instead serving as a generator for a 370hp electric motor instead.

The wait for a proper rotary-only sports car continues, then, perhaps indefinitely at this rate. The good news is you can still grab the company’s most recent Wankel wonder (at least initially, but more on that later). First generation RX-8s can be had for less than £2,000, and even an ultra-low-mile, completely stock example such as this 2004 car will set you back a fiver shy of £12k. Yes, an RX-7 may be more desirable, but finding one that hasn’t been ruined by an unpainted body kit and a Channel Tunnel-sized exhaust poking out the back is tricky to say the least - and the ones that have been left alone command eye-watering premiums.

While the RX-8 wasn’t as sleek or sexy as its predecessor, it certainly wasn't short on charm. The suicide-style rear doors are just as cool today as they were back in 2003, and the styling was crammed full of rotary motifs, such as the triangles below the grille, in the headrests and on the bonnet. Under said triangle-imprinted bonnet sat a dinky 1.3-litre twin-rotor engine developing a decent 231hp, albeit with a puny 156lb ft all the way up at 5,500rpm. The RX-8 has always been car that needs to be thrashed to get it into its sweet spot, which for many has been part of the appeal.

Big changes came with the run-out R3 model you see here. Although power was unchanged at 231hp, the rest of the car was significantly overhauled with a stiffer body shell and uprated suspension including Bilstein dampers. Revised styling brought a sportier edge lacking on earlier cars, while the cabin gained a set of plush Recaro buckets and a Bose sound system. This all made the R3 by far the best RX-8 we got here in the UK, matching that rev-hungry Renesis engine with sharper steering and a more agile chassis.

‘That’s all well and good, but don’t they cost a fortune to run?‘ Ah yes, the elephant in the room. All RX-8s have a thirst for unleaded and 5w30 engine oil, and despite its teeny engine the RX-8 still kicks out a hefty 299g/km of CO2. The Renesis engine also has a bit of reputation for being, er, a touch delicate. Mazda claimed it had got on top of many of the early car’s issues come the R3’s launch, but a chunky history file is an absolute must for all RX-8 generations.

Luckily, that’s exactly what we have with this 2008 car. Over the last 16 years and 56,000 miles, this R3 has been treated to main dealer services its whole life and sports an impressively clean MoT history. Of course, you’ll need to see the car in person for a proper assessment of its condition, but its history file suggests that it’s been well cared for by its one-and-only previous owner. So while it’s worth budgeting a bit more than the £7,995 asking price (if only to keep the engine oil topped up), just think of all the Wankel fun you’ll be having for a fraction of the price of an FD RX-7.


SPECIFICATION | MAZDA RX-8 R3

Engine: 1,308cc twin-rotor rotary
Transmission: six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 231@8,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 156@5,500rpm
MPG: 24.9
CO2: 299g/km
Year registered: 2008
Recorded mileage: 56,000
Price new: £24,995
Yours for: £7,995

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Firebobby

Original Poster:

994 posts

69 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Never been a fan of these, weird shape in my eyes. Good price if it's what you want, for me I'd spend my money elsewhere.

Earthdweller

19,417 posts

156 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Can’t remember the last time I saw one of them, weren’t the engines made out of chocolate?

TikTak

3,081 posts

49 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Loved mine. Great fun, usable power, not exactly slow either. A 9000 redline and they want to be revved and all with 4 people in them and rear doors. The MPG is the biggest downside, and just finding a good place to keep the maintenance up.

Or if like mine, the equipped minidisc player, hilarious even if it's not that usable biggrin

Great things. You could easily pick up a decent earlier one for cheaper than this too.


rjfp1962

9,357 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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I enjoyed driving these back in the days when working at a Mazda dealership, but owning one now and paying £695 for 12 months tax? - No thanks!

fantheman80

2,618 posts

79 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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I had one for 72 hrs when choosing a company car, before it went leccy only and the polar caps weren't melting as much and Greta was a baby. The delivery driver kept saying watch out, its fast and the back goes on you, sign this waiver etc...

I went from London to Norwich for a night, and couldn't wait to give it back. Didnt find it that fast at all, id had my days of wringing a cars neck from my Ep3, didnt like the looks, didnt like the sound, so it was a firm no. Focus ST instead...!

sherman

15,241 posts

245 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Loved mine back in the day.
2 £1500+ repair bills sullied that.
It did love a drink as well. It could empty it fuel tank in about 150 miles or less.
Also the boot opening was tiny. The actusl boot was huge though and couldceasily swalliw 2 big suitcases. Only problem was the huge exhaudt directly under the boot floor would cook anything in the boot with the heat sink.

satfinal

2,625 posts

192 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Earthdweller said:
Can’t remember the last time I saw one of them, weren’t the engines made out of chocolate?
No, but they weren't really engines robust enough for the general public, due to oil consumption being by-design, and the rotary design at the time was an inefficient fuel burner.

Early ones (until 2007 I think) had legitimate oil starvation issues at motorway cruising speeds, but otherwise the engine would need apex seals replacing eventually (they're an intended replacement part). But of course none of the general public knew that they consume oil by design to keep the seals lubricated, or that the seals would eventually need replacing.

The engines are fine knowing these things, quite easy to keep on-top of, but again, not good enough for the general public. They should have been kept to enthusiast sports cars only, RX7 and owners of other cars with a rotary held up much better.

1974foggy

750 posts

174 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Great quirky cars, I especially like this R3 version with the Recaros and extra styling.
I think you need a lot of patience with these engines though, I used to work at a dealership and they were very easy to flood and thirsty to run.

What a shame that crazy prices to tax them will force them off the road, along with many other great cars.

Oiyou

174 posts

136 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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I recall a mate had an early one it these (230ish bhp allegedly) at the time i had a 1.5l mx5 Nd. In a straight line there was absolutely nothing in it, which made me wonder how small a renesis bhp compared to a regular one.

Always liked the look of these though but the running costs Vs performance is dismal. Not to mention the way they rust, would make even BL cringe! I honestly don't think I've seen a car rust like it.

Wouldn't mind one as the 'toy' but would they stand up to track work or feel special enough to warrant the operating costs? Compared to any 6 cyl e46?

Water Fairy

6,602 posts

185 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Sister had one of these many years ago. A 231. Only drove it once. Sounded good to me when ringing its neck and the chassis/steering felt nice and tight. Didn't feel at all quick however. My MK1 Octy vRS (revo map) felt like it would have murdered it in a straight line.

History suggests you'll need a few quid left over for fuel, oil and an engine rebuild if you keep one for any length of time.

An interesting curio but nothing more for me.

paulwirral

3,815 posts

165 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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I let one out into the traffic yesterday and was just thinking it’s a long time since I saw one , I thought it looked ok and there was no smoke coming from the exhaust.
A mate had one years ago that seemingly ran on coal .

Tall_martin

63 posts

100 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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I (thought ) wanted one.

Every second advert listed an engine rebuild. Mostly they had just had the engine rebuild and we're being sold.

I decided I didn't want a car that had a 50/50 chance of needing a rebuild.

samoht

7,241 posts

176 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Oiyou said:
Wouldn't mind one as the 'toy' but would they stand up to track work or feel special enough to warrant the operating costs? Compared to any 6 cyl e46?
They're quite widely used on track, I don't think it shortens their life any further really. Should be a good step on from an E46 as it's a proper sports car chassis, double wishbones, low C of G, low polar moment, light weight.

sherman

15,241 posts

245 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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samoht said:
Oiyou said:
Wouldn't mind one as the 'toy' but would they stand up to track work or feel special enough to warrant the operating costs? Compared to any 6 cyl e46?
They're quite widely used on track, I don't think it shortens their life any further really. Should be a good step on from an E46 as it's a proper sports car chassis, double wishbones, low C of G, low polar moment, light weight.
A turbo or 3rd rotor would make for a great track car.
Theres alot of weight that can be shed from the cabin too. You could probably get a track car down to 1100kg or possibly less.

jorders500

229 posts

119 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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I’ve had two. Loved them. Thirsty but great to drive and sound mega. Best gear shift ever. I’d like another but nowhere to keep it.

Motormouth88

782 posts

90 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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My cousin had one for a spell, it averaged 9mpg…so I’d avoid like the plague

Nickp82

3,960 posts

123 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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They’re not that fast, they’re horrendously expensive to run given they have a real world 200bhp and yes, the engines are not bulletproof by any means.

But I absolutely love them, nothing drives like them. It’s not a car that necessarily gives a good first impression, at first it feels slow and if cold, a bit clunky. But as it warms up and you get in to it, it becomes immense fun using the Rev range and getting the rear end moving in the corners.

The R3 engines are generally more longer lasting than earlier cars, don’t drive it hard until properly warm, keep half an eye on oil level and ensure the ignition/exhaust system is in good order and they’re generally reliable.

_Bozzy

780 posts

108 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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A redline a day keeps the seals at bay biglaugh

I’ve always fancied one of these, however, the road tax would scare the life out of me more than it needing a rebuild. I bet that’s a job a decent DIY’er could do themselves.

Bloxxcreative

568 posts

75 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Took one for a test drive from a dodgy local dealer.

Needed fuel so stopped after 20 minutes or so to top it up. Wouldn't start again. Of all the people was a mazda tech guy coming out who got it started, told me not to stall on the way back, and not buy it.

napoleondynamite

188 posts

160 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Forgive my ignorance with this type of engine as I’ve never driven a car with one so basing this on nothing but numbers - what is the USP, why are journalists in particular so fascinated by it? As on paper they don’t seem particularly powerful, yet drink fuel and oil, and perhaps of lessor relevance:, pump out masses of CO2, what about them is making up for all the downsides?!