RE: Porsche Panamera gets V6 plug-in hybrid variants
RE: Porsche Panamera gets V6 plug-in hybrid variants
Monday 19th February 2024

Porsche Panamera earns V6 plug-in hybrid variants

New 4 Hybrid and 4S Hybrid promise more power, greater range and quicker charging than ever before


Never let it be said that Porsche doesn’t give the customer a plentiful choice - even when it comes to the five-door cars. For those fully committed to electric, there’s a freshly updated Taycan, while customers still keen to get their kicks the old-fashioned way get a V8 in the Turbo Panamera plug-in. And now somewhere in the middle will sit a new pair of V6 hybrids, the Panamera 4 and Panamera 4S. 

Porsche says there is ‘particularly strong interest in efficient and dynamic e-hybrid powertrains in many markets’. PHey types might still gravitate towards the 4.0-litre Panameras, but the reason for launching the plug-in 2.9s separately is that they will probably be the biggest sellers. In the 4, the engine is rated at 304hp and the electric motor 190hp/332lb ft for, a grand total of 470hp and 479lb ft. Because PHEV. The S keeps the same electric motor (both it and the 25.9kWh battery are all new), adding performance via a burlier tune of the turbo V6 - 353hp. Its overall system outputs are 544hp and 553lb ft, sufficient for 3.7 seconds to 62mph and 180mph. Which isn’t far off Turbo performance. The 4 is rated at 4.1 seconds and 174mph, which isn’t exactly slow either. 

Far more important than all that, however, is the electric stuff. Porsche says up to 59 miles of all-electric running is possible in the 4 according to the EAER city test (up to 57 for the 4S); recuperation is now up to 88kW, an 11kW onboard AC charger means the battery can be recharged in two hours 39 minutes, and reduction of inertia in the motor aims to improve throttle response. 

Additionally, the driving modes we’re becoming used to with electrified Porsches are there to make these Panamera plug-ins as efficient as they can be: E-Hold keeps the charge in the battery, E-Charge uses the engine to replenish it once out of town, Hybrid Auto can work with the nav to hold charge for zero emissions urban running and E-Power is the purely electric setting. In Sport and Sport Plus modes, where previously a target state of charge for the battery was 30 per cent (Sport mode) and 80 per cent (Sport Plus), it’s now 20 and 30 per cent respectively; Porsche says this ‘increases efficiency without sacrificing performance’, presumably thanks to the battery’s extra capacity and the additional recuperation now possible. 

Like the rest of the new Panamera range, the new pairing is equipped with Porsche Active Suspension Management and air springs as standard, with Active Ride tech available as an option. So in addition to the two-valve damper, there’s a hydraulic pump to further assist compression and rebound that’s supplied by the 400-volt electrical system. So expect pretty flawless ride quality: Porsche says the dampers can adjust what they’re doing 13 times a second. Speaking of options, 4 buyers will also be able to get rear-wheel steering, Remote ParkAssist and the new passenger display. The 4S can be had with ceramic brakes, which might further improve the ride with the fancy suspension, though they’re only offered with the larger 21-inch wheels because the front discs are 440mm. Standard are 20s and 10-piston calipers iron discs, with red calipers, though the trademark Porsche E-Hybrid Acid Green remains available.

Both 4 and 4S are on sale in the UK now, priced at £90,300 and £102,100 respectively. For reference, a 353hp Panamera 4 (without electrical assistance) is £82,500, with the 680hp Turbo E-Hybrid topping the current range at £141,400. And if all that perhaps sounds a bit much for a plug-in Panamera but you like the idea, check this out: a 670hp Turbo E-Hybrid that’s barely stopped moving since 2019, and with £100,000 off its as-new price…


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1Tom1985

Original Poster:

103 posts

56 months

Monday 19th February 2024
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Will be interesting to see which is quicker, the acceleration or the depreciation

evo2073

52 posts

169 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Detune the already potent 2.9 V6 and add the weight of a PHEV system. Brilliant!

fflump

3,506 posts

68 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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The 4 will feel very sluggish with an empty battery on a long journey the energy inefficient e- hold will be needed. Impressive electric only range though

J4CKO

46,839 posts

230 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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fflump said:
The 4 will feel very sluggish with an empty battery on a long journey the energy inefficient e- hold will be needed. Impressive electric only range though
Yes, with 304 bhp it will barely move....

I know it will be a heavy car, and in the scheme of things thats not a huge power output in isolation these days, but it will still have 150 ish bhp per ton ?

Which is perfectly adequate, it just wont be ridiculously fast, still be quicker than the bulk of cars out there on the roads, you make it sound like it would be like those old mopeds you could pedal if you ran out of petrol !


fflump

3,506 posts

68 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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J4CKO said:
Yes, with 304 bhp it will barely move....

I know it will be a heavy car, and in the scheme of things thats not a huge power output in isolation these days, but it will still have 150 ish bhp per ton ?

Which is perfectly adequate, it just wont be ridiculously fast, still be quicker than the bulk of cars out there on the roads, you make it sound like it would be like those old mopeds you could pedal if you ran out of petrol !

OK very sluggish for an £80k performance saloon. The 0-60 time with a dead battery would be interesting. In my defence I have a Cayenne E-hybrid so notice the drop off in performance quite regularly.

DaveTheRave87

2,155 posts

119 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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I think the Panamera is my dream 1 car garage.

Guessing that there'll be no petrol only 4 or 4S if they're PHEV.

Might spend the day playing around on the configurator.

steveb8189

516 posts

221 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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fflump said:
OK very sluggish for an £80k performance saloon. The 0-60 time with a dead battery would be interesting. In my defence I have a Cayenne E-hybrid so notice the drop off in performance quite regularly.
Does the power really just cut when the battery runs out? I've got a RAV4 PHEV and there is no drop in power when the battery went down, it just won't run on EV only. They always keep some in reserve which then gets topped up through regen or engine. I guess if you were on a track it would deplete after a few laps but I've never seen it in the real world.

andy43

13,211 posts

284 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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I’ve just played with the website and specced a petrol 4S to match my Kia’s standard kit - I added over 14 grands worth of heated rear seats, vented memory front seats, the cheapest full leather option, head up display, adaptive cruise and lane keep, a fifth seat (£700 but you get a free seatbelt!), 360 cameras and park assist, a parcel shelf (yes really), basic Bose hifi etc.
That’s before adding any paint, nicer wheels etc or that funny £400+ clock thing they glue to the dashboard ‘for residuals’. I’m not sure I’m one of Porsches target customers.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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'59 miles of electric running is possible'. Wowee!

These plug in hybrids are objectively very silly products designed to circumvent emissions rules.

mooseracer

2,788 posts

200 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Ideal for me - all my normal trips running on cheap electric and then decent performance for longer and/or work journies

Amanitin

544 posts

167 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Forester1965 said:
'59 miles of electric running is possible'. Wowee!

These plug in hybrids are objectively very silly products designed to circumvent emissions rules.
they are designed to circumvent lacking charging infrastructure when doing long trips.
I actually would get a V6 diesel plugin if there were any.

Jawls

789 posts

81 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Forester1965 said:
'59 miles of electric running is possible'. Wowee!

These plug in hybrids are objectively very silly products designed to circumvent emissions rules.
Don’t see how that’s silly? That’d cover plenty of commutes and trips to the shop assuming you plug it in every night.


fflump

3,506 posts

68 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Forester1965 said:
'59 miles of electric running is possible'. Wowee!

These plug in hybrids are objectively very silly products designed to circumvent emissions rules.
You are entitled to be to the (subjective) opinion that they are silly, but to say they are objectively silly is just, well, silly. I find the ability to taxi the kids around town and run errands on electric only very handy, then the petrol engine comes in useful for longer trips.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Jawls said:
assuming you plug it in every night.
I wonder how many do?

No doubt there will be plenty. And a huge number who don't, because they only have it for the tax benefit and lug around a load of redundant weight. PHEVs are a cynical product designed to avoid manufacturer fines regarding fleet CO2. If you really wanted to achieve the same thing properly, you'd better off with a traditional hybrid a la Toyota/Lexus.

J4CKO

46,839 posts

230 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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fflump said:
J4CKO said:
Yes, with 304 bhp it will barely move....

I know it will be a heavy car, and in the scheme of things thats not a huge power output in isolation these days, but it will still have 150 ish bhp per ton ?

Which is perfectly adequate, it just wont be ridiculously fast, still be quicker than the bulk of cars out there on the roads, you make it sound like it would be like those old mopeds you could pedal if you ran out of petrol !

OK very sluggish for an £80k performance saloon. The 0-60 time with a dead battery would be interesting. In my defence I have a Cayenne E-hybrid so notice the drop off in performance quite regularly.
Makes more sense.

59 miles covers most driving I do day to day, can see the point, would just concern me as they age, if the Hybrid side has issues and is expensive to fix will end up as a 300 bhp Panamera permanently.

Robertb

3,853 posts

268 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Forester1965 said:
Jawls said:
assuming you plug it in every night.
I wonder how many do?

No doubt there will be plenty. And a huge number who don't, because they only have it for the tax benefit and lug around a load of redundant weight. PHEVs are a cynical product designed to avoid manufacturer fines regarding fleet CO2. If you really wanted to achieve the same thing properly, you'd better off with a traditional hybrid a la Toyota/Lexus.
Well, if you have access to a charging point, and you don’t charge it up, then that’s daft. Why on earth wouldn’t you??

Assuming it did a genuine 40 miles in EV mode that is more than enough for most people’s daily driving.

Then do long trips with no range anxiety.

Iamnotkloot

1,907 posts

177 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Forester1965 said:
Jawls said:
assuming you plug it in every night.
I wonder how many do?

No doubt there will be plenty. And a huge number who don't, because they only have it for the tax benefit and lug around a load of redundant weight. PHEVs are a cynical product designed to avoid manufacturer fines regarding fleet CO2. If you really wanted to achieve the same thing properly, you'd better off with a traditional hybrid a la Toyota/Lexus.
My good friend has a Pan' hybrid, he gets free electricity at work, so plugs in every day. He's loving the cheapness of running it and, in a year of driving, has only filled up with petrol twice.

It works for him.

sly fox

2,430 posts

249 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Forester1965 said:
'59 miles of electric running is possible'. Wowee!

These plug in hybrids are objectively very silly products designed to circumvent emissions rules.
Or you could argue they are the most fit for purpose in terms of most folks driving, clean in town, allow a long driving range, and can augment economy if driven sensibly.

Best of all worlds. really, certainly a compromise but a good one.

I find myself liking Panamera's more, but would hanker after a V8 in all honesty. That's not the way the market is going so a sub 4 sec 0-60 v6 hybrid 4S would be a cracking car to live with i suspect.

JAMSXR

1,845 posts

77 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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Nice. I’m guessing this will be the same engine in the next gen RS4/RS5?

No doubt these will be great, but for some reason they don’t give me new car envy and I’ll happily sit in my ICE V6 for the time being. The big uplift to get some EV miles isn’t worth it.

Demonix

830 posts

242 months

Tuesday 20th February 2024
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The used blue phev at £59k makes more sense, it's in the ballpark of new ev suv's from Kia, Hyundai etc and better to drive.