Allowed to park here?

[Countdown]

I regularly go to Piccadilly Station in Manchester to pick up / drop off my kids. I normally park in the Sheffield Street car park but I've noticed cars being parked in the spaces below (basically where the Kia is)





I'm quite paranoid about my parking but (as far as I can see)

- It's not parked on the road
- it's not parked on the footpath
- it's not blocking any entrances / exits

Would the DYLs apply?

[av185]

Saw a sign in Greece a few years back.

'Park here you will be fine'.

[knk]

You can't park there.

[paintman]

You'll probably find that is part of the road.
Plenty of info here:
https://thedrivingsolicitor.co.uk/2019/03/11/road-...

I think the tarmac of the road & the area the car is on is the same, so it suggests to me that it's all been done at the same time & points towards it being maintained at the public expense.

You could try parking & see what happens.

ETA Forgot to say 'No, you can't park there'.

Edited by paintman on Thursday 7th March 10:10

[PaulD86]

Double yellows typically apply either side of the lines (general rule) and not just the "road" side. So most likely parking there is not permitted.

[Tommo87]

I see that, and my first thought is No, based on how the yellow lines also include, footpaths and verges.

I appreciate that the footpath has ended at that point, but there are no visual positives or additional signs to suggest that the DYLs are NOT the defining factor.

[BoRED S2upid]

Those yellow lines are a clue.

[Dixy]

I cant be arsed to look it up in the traffic signs manual but the white line marks the edge of the carriage way. If where the car is parked is private propperty then you might get away with it.

[Zeeky]

Yellow lines apply from the centre of the carriageway to the edge of the highway.

[Bill]

How is that not the footpath? I know the "pavement" has stopped with a kerbstone, but that doesn't make that area suddenly not footpath.

[ED209]

Double yellows still apply. No you can’t park there.

[av185]

Loads of previous threads on this.

Appears you committed an offence by obstructing the highway. The fact there was some room for pedestrians to pass to the offside of your parked car is irrelevant as is the positioning of your car on the far side of the double yellows.

[Sheepshanks]

Is that location not in the Manchester controlled parking zone anyway? Guess you may be outside the times it applies.

[Countdown]

Thanks for all the advice folks - looks like a resounding "No"!

Sheepshanks said:

Is that location not in the Manchester controlled parking zone anyway? Guess you may be outside the times it applies.

Every day's a school day! having studied/worked in Manchester for 30 years I wasn't aware there was a CPZ I shall go and Goog

[Dashnine]

I got moved on by a parking warden from the ‘pavement’ side of double yellows, in what looked like a pull in / lay by at the side of the road.

The pull in was made of brickwork rather than the paving stones of the pavement around it while the double yellows ran along the asphalt without deviation. If not for parking, I’m not sure what the purpose of the structure is.

[Solocle]

Dixy said:

I cant be arsed to look it up in the traffic signs manual but the white line marks the edge of the carriage way. If where the car is parked is private propperty then you might get away with it.

The white line is an edge of carriageway marking. That's relevant where parking controls apply to the carriageway, rather than the highway.

By default, a clearway applies to the carriageway, at least according to TSM.



However, double yellow lines apply to the highway boundary.

[Donbot]

Dashnine said:

I got moved on by a parking warden from the ‘pavement’ side of double yellows, in what looked like a pull in / lay by at the side of the road.

The pull in was made of brickwork rather than the paving stones of the pavement around it while the double yellows ran along the asphalt without deviation. If not for parking, I’m not sure what the purpose of the structure is.

Turning space for large vehicles maybe?

[Solocle]

Donbot said:

Turning space for large vehicles maybe?

Kind of hilarious that you can't park there, despite looking like a designated parking bay. But technically speaking, I think it would be legal to park your car here, despite looking like a motorway hard shoulder.

As it's an A road, the white line is a form of edge of carriageway marking, and thus clearway restrictions don't cover the shoulder

[h0b0]

Countdown said:

I regularly go to Piccadilly Station in Manchester to pick up / drop off my kids. I normally park in the Sheffield Street car park but I've noticed cars being parked in the spaces below (basically where the Kia is)





I'm quite paranoid about my parking but (as far as I can see)

- It's not parked on the road
- it's not parked on the footpath
- it's not blocking any entrances / exits

Would the DYLs apply?

There's gates right where the car is parked. I know there are other gates as well to access the space behind the fence but there is no way you can park blocking the gates.

[MustangGT]

h0b0 said:

Countdown said:

I regularly go to Piccadilly Station in Manchester to pick up / drop off my kids. I normally park in the Sheffield Street car park but I've noticed cars being parked in the spaces below (basically where the Kia is)





I'm quite paranoid about my parking but (as far as I can see)

- It's not parked on the road
- it's not parked on the footpath
- it's not blocking any entrances / exits

Would the DYLs apply?

There's gates right where the car is parked. I know there are other gates as well to access the space behind the fence but there is no way you can park blocking the gates.

I would hazard a guess that the taxi is not parked, merely waiting.