Porsche Turbo not fit to mix it with Lambo/Pagani?
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Apologies if anyone's posted this observation from last night but I was rather perplexed by the response of Jezza's TG sidekick when putting down - in a somewhat patronizing manner - the submission of one, admittedly optimistic, 911 Turbo owner who thought he would 'slaughter' the Zonda's circuit time if given the chance.
Now, F1 aside, there is probably little in with any earthly hope but surely the Porsche, perhaps if not in ultimate Gemballa incarnation but X-packed 996TT form, would get close?
Recent reviews, whilst waxing lyrical o'er the new Lambo's 'sorted' handling dynamics, have nevertheless pointed out the almost tedious inevitability of the 911's sticking power and indeed, generally superior ground covering prowess.
Factor in the sensation of PSM and a 4wd system that allows Tiff to push the envelope beyond typical boundaries and frankly, I think the time would certainly get near...
Ok, a raft of track day specials also exist which would whoop it too (Radical?), in the dry at least but the reason for my bleating is the dismissive attitude of the presenter.
Laying down the challenge and laughing at some bloke in a Mini Moke is one thing; the blown beetles are really sommat else.
Ok, schmuckster?
Now, F1 aside, there is probably little in with any earthly hope but surely the Porsche, perhaps if not in ultimate Gemballa incarnation but X-packed 996TT form, would get close?
Recent reviews, whilst waxing lyrical o'er the new Lambo's 'sorted' handling dynamics, have nevertheless pointed out the almost tedious inevitability of the 911's sticking power and indeed, generally superior ground covering prowess.
Factor in the sensation of PSM and a 4wd system that allows Tiff to push the envelope beyond typical boundaries and frankly, I think the time would certainly get near...
Ok, a raft of track day specials also exist which would whoop it too (Radical?), in the dry at least but the reason for my bleating is the dismissive attitude of the presenter.
Laying down the challenge and laughing at some bloke in a Mini Moke is one thing; the blown beetles are really sommat else.
Ok, schmuckster?
a super seven type car is the way to go to beat the time I think. A motorbike engined one would probably be best. I saw in a turboed hyabusa engined Dax rush in a kit car mag recently which would be on the quick side.
Oh and topr gear was a bit crap this week I think
>> Edited by alex200mph on Monday 28th October 16:46
Oh and topr gear was a bit crap this week I think
>> Edited by alex200mph on Monday 28th October 16:46
Yeah, must admit I nearly spilled my Chardonnay over the cat when t' young upstart spouted forth. I think he might get a shock. Any 4 wheel drive motor is going to run something similar time wise thanks to PSM and the fact that power's going to all four wheels (Land Rovers need not apply).
Anyway, why shouldn't a Porker get a go ?
Memo to Top Gear:
Dear Top Gear,
Please give the 996TT a go on your track.
Thanks.
Anyway, why shouldn't a Porker get a go ?
Memo to Top Gear:
Dear Top Gear,
Please give the 996TT a go on your track.
Thanks.
Hi DeR
You are bang on with your observation. The 996tt X50 should definitely be closer to the Pagani than the Lambo. The manner in which JC dismissed the turbo (don't think he mentioned which vintage), showed his invitation to be an empty one. JC and his producers have already decided what they want to show.
One little bit of a shock is Jon Dokics offer of his standard production car, mentioned on another thread this morning. If they decline his offer, JC's invitation will be shown as a complete and utter sham. I am looking forward to seeing if this happens. Jon, if your reading this thread, nice one, go reel em in!!!
DAZ
(Biased)
You are bang on with your observation. The 996tt X50 should definitely be closer to the Pagani than the Lambo. The manner in which JC dismissed the turbo (don't think he mentioned which vintage), showed his invitation to be an empty one. JC and his producers have already decided what they want to show.
One little bit of a shock is Jon Dokics offer of his standard production car, mentioned on another thread this morning. If they decline his offer, JC's invitation will be shown as a complete and utter sham. I am looking forward to seeing if this happens. Jon, if your reading this thread, nice one, go reel em in!!!
DAZ
(Biased)
Whilst I thought it was a bit of a quick rebuff for the poor chap is it not more of a comment on Stigs pedigree than that of the car?
If the wild speculation over him having an F1 pedigree is correct then surely, regardless of steed most mere mortals would get nowhere near?
Personally I'd like to see Steve Heath give it a go in his 520 as that sounds like a beast of a car but on pure timings I would have to give it to an experienced racer in something like a Superlight R500.
Matt.
If the wild speculation over him having an F1 pedigree is correct then surely, regardless of steed most mere mortals would get nowhere near?
Personally I'd like to see Steve Heath give it a go in his 520 as that sounds like a beast of a car but on pure timings I would have to give it to an experienced racer in something like a Superlight R500.
Matt.
i couldnt belive that when I heard it. The way Clarkson's sidekick put the the 996 TT was shockingly bad. I know as I'm sure Clarkson does too that the 996TT will be right up there matching of not beating the top cars.
I hope he gave the little arselick a talking to and a quick lesson about the 996 TT after the show because clearly numpty knows nothing about it! (or anything motor related as a matter of fact).
I hope he gave the little arselick a talking to and a quick lesson about the 996 TT after the show because clearly numpty knows nothing about it! (or anything motor related as a matter of fact).
Hmmm. I thought he might have been jumping the gun as well. A mildly breathed on 996 is going to be stupidly fast.
Don't know if it's Zonda quick, but I'd give the guy a go to find out....
And I'm not sure about this *cheap* car they're using. At £10K it's worth 3 times what mine is....
Don't know if it's Zonda quick, but I'd give the guy a go to find out....
And I'm not sure about this *cheap* car they're using. At £10K it's worth 3 times what mine is....
plotloss said: I thought it was if you could do it quicker then write in.
Go for it DeRe, you have the car and the inclination...
Matt.
God; go up against Tricky Noodles? Maybe not! I must say, whilst I seriously doubt the Beetle could do the biz against the great violinist I would be interested to see what my tuner supremo (Philippe Hindley, who was runner up in this season's Porsche Cup series) could manage given a free hand to cane the bugger.
Then again, I'm not sure I could bare to see the little sod fly off the track at some unfeasible velocity and give my NCB a thorough debagging and raddishing.
Frankly, against the above mentioned Skylines, 600+bhp Ultimas, 440bhp EVOs and other silly stuff currently strutting around I'm more inclined to stay well out of the fray and stay oop north, roaming the moors and waiting for unwary Daewoo type numptita to stray my way, all too ready for a spot of windswept obliviation with no danger to yours truly from any precocious and overtly powered opposition which seems to be all too rife dairn sairf.
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 28th October 17:29
I think I read an another thread that in the recent Top Gear magazine, 'Stig' drove a Zonda, Murcielago, Cerbera RR, Porsche 911 Turbo and a few other exotics around the Top Gear track. Apparently the clutch or something went on the Porsche which meant it was unable to post a lap time. Someone hinted that the remark was directed at this - which sounds probable to me, if this is the case the remark was fairly tongue in cheek and not a reflection on the capabilities of the Porsche.
Dan
>> Edited by Pinkney on Monday 28th October 20:48
Dan
>> Edited by Pinkney on Monday 28th October 20:48
sorry,
aww999 said: A couple of the big power, well sorted Skylines are reportedly being considered as likely candidates for this Top Gear challenge thing. Over 600bhp and 4WD with lots of electronic driver aids, but they're a big heavy car.
Toooo heavy. The track only has fairly short straights, so the corners are the most important areas, rather than straight line speed. A Caterfield is my bet.
Especially one with half the power of a Zonda /Lambo
GregE240 said: Any 4 wheel drive motor is going to run something similar time wise thanks to PSM and the fact that power's going to all four wheel
In fact the less power they've got the better their chances (less wheel spin see)
It shouldn't be given a chance because it hasn't got a chance, IMHO of course
>> Edited by incorrigible on Tuesday 29th October 14:52
Obviously, I think everything should be allowed to have a go, from maxpowered novas, through "slow" tivs like mine, poker turbos, to professionally tuned evo7s, F1s etc
Derestrictor said:Doh, sorry Ben, I'm being slow today; do you mean the Porker Turbo should be barred from having a crack?
incorrigible said:It shouldn't be given a chance because it hasn't got a chance, IMHO of course
I was under the impression they wanted "serious" challengers, and anyone that says they're Porsche turbo is going to "smash" tha Lambos lap time, probably reckoned the new air filter on their saxo gave them at leat 20hp...
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