How do you know when glue traps will be banned in England?
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Somewhatfoolish said:
The Glue Trap act basically says they'll be illegal when a statutory instrument is passed saying it's enacted. News stories online say it was meant to be live in April 2024 but it doesn't seem to be yet. Is there any particular place to look to know when it actually will be live?
I don’t know but it can’t come soon enough IMO.Somewhatfoolish said:
The Glue Trap act basically says they'll be illegal when a statutory instrument is passed saying it's enacted. News stories online say it was meant to be live in April 2024 but it doesn't seem to be yet. Is there any particular place to look to know when it actually will be live?
Google is your friend.Sebring440 said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
The Glue Trap act basically says they'll be illegal when a statutory instrument is passed saying it's enacted. News stories online say it was meant to be live in April 2024 but it doesn't seem to be yet. Is there any particular place to look to know when it actually will be live?
Google is your friend.Btw I purposely haven't said why I'm interested because it's an emotive subject and the kind of thing that has loonies on either side, and it's totally irrelevant to my question.
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Tuesday 9th April 00:42
Sebring440 said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
The Glue Trap act basically says they'll be illegal when a statutory instrument is passed saying it's enacted. News stories online say it was meant to be live in April 2024 but it doesn't seem to be yet. Is there any particular place to look to know when it actually will be live?
Google is your friend.https://bpca.org.uk/news-and-blog/glue-traps-offen...
And the actual bill
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/26/enact...
worsy said:
Indeed it is
https://bpca.org.uk/news-and-blog/glue-traps-offen...
And the actual bill
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/26/enact...
Act, not bill.https://bpca.org.uk/news-and-blog/glue-traps-offen...
And the actual bill
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/26/enact...
“A bill is a proposed law which is introduced into Parliament. Once a bill has been debated and then approved by each House of Parliament, and has received Royal Assent, it becomes law and is known as an act.”
Somewhatfoolish said:
The Glue Trap act basically says they'll be illegal when a statutory instrument is passed saying it's enacted. News stories online say it was meant to be live in April 2024 but it doesn't seem to be yet. Is there any particular place to look to know when it actually will be live?
https://statutoryinstruments.parliament.uk/agtlaw said:
Act, not bill.
“A bill is a proposed law which is introduced into Parliament. Once a bill has been debated and then approved by each House of Parliament, and has received Royal Assent, it becomes law and is known as an act.”
Acts are not laws apparently.“A bill is a proposed law which is introduced into Parliament. Once a bill has been debated and then approved by each House of Parliament, and has received Royal Assent, it becomes law and is known as an act.”
According to the hard of thinking idiots who think they are clever
Somewhatfoolish said:
If you read the act itself (which also has some insane stuff saying there's a positive duty on anyone finding a glue trap to remove it lol) …
I read that & thought that’s pretty interesting!My interpretation is Glue Traps won’t be banned, but their use will likely be restricted to professionals going forward who will get a blanket exemption rather than having to ask for a specific exemption every time they need to use one. (any of us could’ve gone to buy online/local hardware store!!). So going forward folk could still see them in operation & not know if they had been legally placed or not. (Thinking they were placed legally does appear to be an acceptable reason for not removing it though).
I wonder if they will introduce a number to identify who’s set the trap & allow you to check/report, that scheme exists with those of us setting traps for birds (which would also be illegal without exemptions), signs like this get put on them to try & avoid folk interfering with them.
AndyAudi said:
I read that & thought that’s pretty interesting!
My interpretation is Glue Traps won’t be banned, but their use will likely be restricted to professionals who will get a blanket exemption rather than having to ask for a specific exemption every time they need to use one. (any of us could’ve gone to buy online/local hardware store!!). So folk could still see them in operation & not know if they had been legally placed or not. (Thinking they were placed legally does appear to be an acceptable reason for not removing it though).
I wonder if they will introduce a number to identify who’s set the trap & allow you to check/report, that scheme exists with those of us setting traps for birds (which would also be illegal without exemptions), signs like this get put on them to try & avoid folk interfering with them.
See the explanatory notes. My interpretation is Glue Traps won’t be banned, but their use will likely be restricted to professionals who will get a blanket exemption rather than having to ask for a specific exemption every time they need to use one. (any of us could’ve gone to buy online/local hardware store!!). So folk could still see them in operation & not know if they had been legally placed or not. (Thinking they were placed legally does appear to be an acceptable reason for not removing it though).
I wonder if they will introduce a number to identify who’s set the trap & allow you to check/report, that scheme exists with those of us setting traps for birds (which would also be illegal without exemptions), signs like this get put on them to try & avoid folk interfering with them.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/26/notes...
worsy said:
Sebring440 said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
The Glue Trap act basically says they'll be illegal when a statutory instrument is passed saying it's enacted. News stories online say it was meant to be live in April 2024 but it doesn't seem to be yet. Is there any particular place to look to know when it actually will be live?
Google is your friend.https://bpca.org.uk/news-and-blog/glue-traps-offen...
Glue traps are currently legal
At the date of that article (January 31st) they were probably going to be made illegal in July, to give time to setup a licencing scheme by Natural England
I can't find anything about said licencing scheme on Natural England's website so given it's April it's likely, but not certain, that July will be missed too
Most traps on Amazon are in any case now being sold as insect traps and only rodent glue traps are banned and the ban doesn't prohibit or licence selling glue traps anyway, so ban analogous to criminalising drug taking but not drug posession or dealing
That about right?
Somewhatfoolish said:
At the date of that article (January 31st) they were probably going to be made illegal in July, to give time to setup a licencing scheme by Natural England
I can't find anything about said licencing scheme on Natural England's website so given it's April it's likely, but not certain, that July will be missed too
That sounds about right, poisoned chalice prob sits with Natural England, I can't find anything about said licencing scheme on Natural England's website so given it's April it's likely, but not certain, that July will be missed too
I expect they will go down a general license to allow all “registered?” Pest controllers to use & avoid having to deal with individual applications, more than likely whatever they put out will be challenged by animal rights /pest control industry.
(Like the birds was a couple of years ago which led to all General license’s being withdrawn & re-done (& I think making it against the law for farmers etc to shoot pigeons for a bit…)
Once these exemptions are in place though & a working framework exists they should in my mind look to restrict sales (in a similar way to poisons - Joe Public can’t get certain qu’anties /strengths without a pest control or similar cert).
Traps currently anyone can buy & I was very angry at a friend who asked my advice on trapping something in his garage (not glue) - I asked after a few days if he’d any luck & he said he didn’t know as hadn’t checked!!! Irresponsible use of tools is generally in my mind a result of public using things they don’t understand rather than the Pro’s.
Boosted LS1 said:
119 said:
They are designed to attract rodents that are then stuck fast when they walk on to them and so can’t move and eventually die starving to death.
I think.
Hawks and other birds of prey to iirc. A nasty way to die.I think.
I use the local farmers' store and they have a selection of traps that look like something from the 19th century. The farmers around me wont use them, because they have ample barn cats, and the traps don't differentiate between cats and rodents (plus barn cats do the job as well if not better).
The gamekeeper for our woods does not use them for the same reason, plus he thinks they are barbaric - seems a lot of the younger keepers are not fans.
119 said:
They are designed to attract rodents that are then stuck fast when they walk on to them and so can’t move and eventually die starving to death.
I think.
They are bloody evil things! Bloke in the industrial unit next door used one to trap mice - some of them would literally self-skin themselves to escape as the glue is so strong, leading to a horrible, slow, traumatic, painful death.I think.
Banned or not, you would have to be a sadist to use one....
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