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Great drive home tonight. The last day or two Ive felt something small was amis with my car but couldnt put my finger on it.
Came up behind an E39 M5 at the bottom of the A23 who decided he wanted some action :driving:
Couldnt go too mad coz of the traffic but we had fun for a few miles.
Just before the road opens to 3 lanes a new M3 saw us coming and thought he wanted a piece of me too :shoot:
Great mini convoy but the poor f:censored:s didnt stand a chance :hehe:
Obviously there is not much wrong with my car and Im just being a nervous ninny :)
Came up behind an E39 M5 at the bottom of the A23 who decided he wanted some action :driving:
Couldnt go too mad coz of the traffic but we had fun for a few miles.
Just before the road opens to 3 lanes a new M3 saw us coming and thought he wanted a piece of me too :shoot:
Great mini convoy but the poor f:censored:s didnt stand a chance :hehe:
Obviously there is not much wrong with my car and Im just being a nervous ninny :)
Figures..... I humbled a couple of M-cars in the Cerb, and now I drive an M5 I can understand why - very quick cars, and fabulous for the golf clubs and anklebiters, but with an average driver at the helm and a decent one in the Cerb it's not really any contest.... 
(note to self.... must get another TVR!)
(note to self.... must get another TVR!)satman said:
How did the M5 fare??...I know the M3 is a donkey compared to the Cerb...(eaten a couple myself... )...but I thought that the M5 would have given you a bit more of a run for your money.....
He was trying to give him his due, but I always had his measure, but at about 1.3 speed units I cruised past and wandered off into the distance. I think he gave up after a short while which made it easier. Maybe with a little more bottle he would have kept me honest a little longer
Think some big fish stories here. I had this argument with my pops. So we took both cars out for a good long trial. I have no axe to grind either way as I have both to choose from in the mornings. Heres what we found.
From a standing start if you get it right in the cerb you will have a good car length by the time you get to sixty. I assume weight is responsible for this.
From sixty to funny figures there is very little in it. Whoever hit the throttle first was likely to be in the lead when we chickened out. The M5 was always breathing down the neck of the Cerb and if we'd had pushed to the limited on the M5 I believe it would be catching up the Cerb.
If anything the M5 had the legs of the cerb at high figures and the cerb at low figures, but nothing really measurable just a feeling.
The M5 had lots more tourque but a lot more weight. Its gearchange isn't anywhere near as fast as the Cerb and therefore it was losing out on each gearchange which counted a lot at standing starts. For real world driving the torque counts a lot as it is very difficult to use the Cerbs high end revs unless it is a straight line or you are a complete driving God.
So fellas, reality is the M5 would be right up your arse in anything other than ideal conditions on a road. I reckon a track would widen the gap as you could take more liberties in the cerb with comfort on a track and the M5 weight would count against it.
The M5 wouldn't beat you but you'd better him by doing it from a standing start, getting it right and chickening out before the M5 got to the funny figures.
Stories of pooing all over an E39 M5 would be an exaggeration in my experience, but hey, surely there are some brunting thorpe or santa pod times to look at?
Heres what we found. From a standing start if you get it right in the cerb you will have a good car length by the time you get to sixty. I assume weight is responsible for this.
From sixty to funny figures there is very little in it. Whoever hit the throttle first was likely to be in the lead when we chickened out. The M5 was always breathing down the neck of the Cerb and if we'd had pushed to the limited on the M5 I believe it would be catching up the Cerb.
If anything the M5 had the legs of the cerb at high figures and the cerb at low figures, but nothing really measurable just a feeling.
The M5 had lots more tourque but a lot more weight. Its gearchange isn't anywhere near as fast as the Cerb and therefore it was losing out on each gearchange which counted a lot at standing starts. For real world driving the torque counts a lot as it is very difficult to use the Cerbs high end revs unless it is a straight line or you are a complete driving God.
So fellas, reality is the M5 would be right up your arse in anything other than ideal conditions on a road. I reckon a track would widen the gap as you could take more liberties in the cerb with comfort on a track and the M5 weight would count against it.
The M5 wouldn't beat you but you'd better him by doing it from a standing start, getting it right and chickening out before the M5 got to the funny figures.
Stories of pooing all over an E39 M5 would be an exaggeration in my experience, but hey, surely there are some brunting thorpe or santa pod times to look at?
Julian, I am no fisherman , boring sport IMO . I spoke as I found.
We were already rolling when I came up behind the M5 and were line astern for about 6 miles until the road opened up to 3 lanes and he moved over for me to slide by.
Everytime the road opened he gunned it, as I did, if only for seconds at a time, and I always found myself closing in on his rear end. The only time he opened any distance (and Im talking a few yards, no more) was when he caught me in 5th when the road opened and the ole grey matter took a second to work out I should be changing down a gear or two. Most of the journey was done accelerating from 60ish upwards and back down again.
I believe I gave myself a get out clause in one of my posts intimating that the difference may have been down to the M5 driver having slightly less bottle/ability than even my low ability.
Not sure how much torque an E39 M5 has but according to one rolling road readout of mine last year my car has over 400lbs, which isnt too shabby?
Please dont think I believe I am some driving God, because I definately am not (and have my Ride Drive report to prove it
) and am in no doubt that an M5 with another driver on a different day may be a different proposition.
I too have no axe to grind as an M5 is on my shortlist of cars to swap my daily driver for in the near future
. I spoke as I found. We were already rolling when I came up behind the M5 and were line astern for about 6 miles until the road opened up to 3 lanes and he moved over for me to slide by.
Everytime the road opened he gunned it, as I did, if only for seconds at a time, and I always found myself closing in on his rear end. The only time he opened any distance (and Im talking a few yards, no more) was when he caught me in 5th when the road opened and the ole grey matter took a second to work out I should be changing down a gear or two. Most of the journey was done accelerating from 60ish upwards and back down again.
I believe I gave myself a get out clause in one of my posts intimating that the difference may have been down to the M5 driver having slightly less bottle/ability than even my low ability.
Not sure how much torque an E39 M5 has but according to one rolling road readout of mine last year my car has over 400lbs, which isnt too shabby?
Please dont think I believe I am some driving God, because I definately am not (and have my Ride Drive report to prove it
) and am in no doubt that an M5 with another driver on a different day may be a different proposition. I too have no axe to grind as an M5 is on my shortlist of cars to swap my daily driver for in the near future
Well, one thing I've never done in the Cerb is to subject it to a rolling road. It still sits with its rear box and rattly cats. It seems to keep up with other cerbs but it may be down on power? I came up against a porsche last night, and I'm not good at identifying porsches as they all look the same to me. Beatle shape with turbo S written on the back. from 30mph to about 6 points absolutely no difference. No ground made either way. Constant 20yards between him and me.
If I identify his bhp/ton, I rekon I'm pretty close to him. Any idea of your figures NJW, didn't mean to say I doubted you, but there really isn't much in it between my two cars. Now the Cobra, thats a different matter
[quote=Julian64 Any idea of your figures NJW, [/quote]
Oh dear, I may be about to re-open a can of worms that I thought was dead and burried, but as I am booked into the Surrey RR day on Saturday the current figures will be out there soon enough.
Austec/Mark Adams remapped my car last year and on Austec's rollers (which some peeps on here disagree with until independantly verified, hence the SRR session)my cerb IIRC (the graphs are somewhere, but where I dont know) put out 409bhp at the fly with some 430odd lbs of torque (I apparantly have cams (whatever they are/do) from a Tuscan Challenge engine, which supposedly makes a difference, particularly to the torque?)
Ive since had the the ACT Induction kit fitted (with very smart yellow pipes
) by Austec which I hope have liberated a couple more ponies.
The car is running a little lumpy at the moment but the current figure is a guestimate as I asked Austec not to tell me the figures after the induction kit until I could get a figure from Charlie at SRR and then I can compare the two.
Of course, I could end up with egg on my face but at the end of the day, I couldnt give a monkeys if it was 350bhp or 420bhp(no, actually thats a lie ) as, as I have said before on other threads, my driving ability negates the upper end of the power levels
A 911 Turbo S wotever is a different kettle of fish. Have skinned a couple of 'normal' 911s but I normally think twice and err on the side of safety/pride before taking one of those turbo mofos on
[/quote] Oh dear, I may be about to re-open a can of worms that I thought was dead and burried, but as I am booked into the Surrey RR day on Saturday the current figures will be out there soon enough.
Austec/Mark Adams remapped my car last year and on Austec's rollers (which some peeps on here disagree with until independantly verified, hence the SRR session)my cerb IIRC (the graphs are somewhere, but where I dont know) put out 409bhp at the fly with some 430odd lbs of torque
(I apparantly have cams (whatever they are/do) from a Tuscan Challenge engine, which supposedly makes a difference, particularly to the torque?) Ive since had the the ACT Induction kit fitted (with very smart yellow pipes
) by Austec which I hope have liberated a couple more ponies. The car is running a little lumpy at the moment but the current figure is a guestimate as I asked Austec not to tell me the figures after the induction kit until I could get a figure from Charlie at SRR and then I can compare the two.
Of course, I could end up with egg on my face but at the end of the day, I couldnt give a monkeys if it was 350bhp or 420bhp
(no, actually thats a lie ) as, as I have said before on other threads, my driving ability negates the upper end of the power levels A 911 Turbo S wotever is a different kettle of fish. Have skinned a couple of 'normal' 911s but I normally think twice and err on the side of safety/pride before taking one of those turbo mofos on
Watched an M5 at Santa Pod struggle to get a 13.7sec best time and he had at least half a dozen attempts. That's at least a second behind a good Cerb.
Also the power to weight ratio of a Cerb must be higher even if a Cerb really weighs 1300kg and most only put out about 350 bhp. An M5 weighs about 1650-1700kgs and has 400bhp?
Cerbs are also a nightmare to launch from a standing start, whereas the M5 has gizmos to aid its launch, therefore if the Cerb pulls a lead from standstill I would expect it to pull ahead as the speedo rises, again power to weight and aerodynamics should come in to play.
I would expect an M3 CSL to have the edge over an M5, and they are easyish fodder for a decent Cerb.
and he had at least half a dozen attempts. That's at least a second behind a good Cerb. Also the power to weight ratio of a Cerb must be higher even if a Cerb really weighs 1300kg and most only put out about 350 bhp. An M5 weighs about 1650-1700kgs and has 400bhp?
Cerbs are also a nightmare to launch from a standing start, whereas the M5 has gizmos to aid its launch, therefore if the Cerb pulls a lead from standstill I would expect it to pull ahead as the speedo rises, again power to weight and aerodynamics should come in to play.
I would expect an M3 CSL to have the edge over an M5, and they are easyish fodder for a decent Cerb.
I had an E39 M5 and 4.2 Cerb at the same time. No competition. If your Cerb can't lose the bimmer with ease then i'd recommend that you get it checked out. Either that or you have one of those slower 4.5's
ps. Usual disclaimers apply - add in a wet/bumpy road and the situation would be reversed!
ps. Usual disclaimers apply - add in a wet/bumpy road and the situation would be reversed!
Julian64 said:
Think some big fish stories here. I had this argument with my pops. So we took both cars out for a good long trial. I have no axe to grind either way as I have both to choose from in the mornings.
From a standing start if you get it right in the cerb you will have a good car length by the time you get to sixty. I assume weight is responsible for this.
From sixty to funny figures there is very little in it. Whoever hit the throttle first was likely to be in the lead when we chickened out. The M5 was always breathing down the neck of the Cerb and if we'd had pushed to the limited on the M5 I believe it would be catching up the Cerb.
If anything the M5 had the legs of the cerb at high figures and the cerb at low figures, but nothing really measurable just a feeling.
The M5 had lots more tourque but a lot more weight. Its gearchange isn't anywhere near as fast as the Cerb and therefore it was losing out on each gearchange which counted a lot at standing starts. For real world driving the torque counts a lot as it is very difficult to use the Cerbs high end revs unless it is a straight line or you are a complete driving God.
So fellas, reality is the M5 would be right up your arse in anything other than ideal conditions on a road. I reckon a track would widen the gap as you could take more liberties in the cerb with comfort on a track and the M5 weight would count against it.
The M5 wouldn't beat you but you'd better him by doing it from a standing start, getting it right and chickening out before the M5 got to the funny figures.
Stories of pooing all over an E39 M5 would be an exaggeration in my experience, but hey, surely there are some brunting thorpe or santa pod times to look at?
I had a tussle with an M5 at donnington and an M3 roadster at goodwood
both cars was very quick but I had to back off the M5 he was rolling around all over the place in the corners but was quick on the straight not alot in it. if I had got past him reckon I would have pulled away because I could break later going into the corners and pull away faster given me the edge.
the m3 roadster was behind me and was doing his best but seemed to be more stable in the corners but when I really went for it I pulled away and the back slid through one of the corners and when I looked the mirror the M3 was completey side ways heading for the grass he just managed to save it.
so I would say the cerb has got the edge on the track.
Gary
Mind, I did leave myself a get out that it could be between 350 and 420 brake Gassing Station | Cerbera | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff