987S to 996C2...Worth it?
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I wouldn't do that swap.
Yes its quicker. But yours is a 987S so not *that* much quicker. You would notice it, mind.
But the engine is in the "wrong" place. And you will most certainly notice *that*.
So do it - if you want the 911 thing. Many fans simply can't get enough of that.
In your shoes I would not change for a C2.
The Turbo is a different kettle of fish. With 4WD and 450bhp its quite an experience. I have been fortunate enough to be piloted around in one and they are shockingly quick. IF I change my current car (a 986S) it will most likely be for a turbo...
Yes its quicker. But yours is a 987S so not *that* much quicker. You would notice it, mind.
But the engine is in the "wrong" place. And you will most certainly notice *that*.
So do it - if you want the 911 thing. Many fans simply can't get enough of that.
In your shoes I would not change for a C2.
The Turbo is a different kettle of fish. With 4WD and 450bhp its quite an experience. I have been fortunate enough to be piloted around in one and they are shockingly quick. IF I change my current car (a 986S) it will most likely be for a turbo...
I made the swap,in terms of interior and refinement,you will be dissapointed when you step into any 996.Handling wise my boxster with its PASM would leave my C2 for dead on a tight twist road and to be honest with you the 987 would be on the tail of any 996 including gt3s turbos on the twisty stuff,i know because ive tried it.Power wise dont agree with Don, my 320bhp model is, and does feel a lot faster in any gear but the main difference in power you can feel is the torque.The steering too is worlds ahead of the C2 in terms of stability ,but not feel.For most things i do miss the 987,its a car that makes an average driver look good,its such an easy car to drive fast.For me the swap depends on your future intentions,if you intend to stay in the 911 fold then the 996c2 is the perfect 911 to learn how to drive fast in before you step up to a 997.There is also an art to driving a 911 fast more so with the air cooled cars,and for me my C2 looks alot more special than the boxster,overall i dont regret my choice
At first when i got into my C2 i was just thinking what the fu.ck did i buy this for!Really my C2 felt lardy and scary at high speeds it just danced around the road and handling wise it just felt soft and my car has the upgraded suspension!But in time i have adjusted my driving style to suit the car more and now find it very easy to drive.My plan is next year to move up to a 997s and get back all the things i miss about the boxster.My car is left hand drive and 997s can already be bought from opc germany for around 48k so i would think they will be low 40s next year.Ps nice car don had two of those before and really enjoyed them
rob05 said:
Handling wise my boxster with its PASM would leave my C2 for dead on a tight twist road and to be honest with you the 987 would be on the tail of any 996 including gt3s turbos on the twisty stuff,i know because ive tried it.
Surely that just illustrates that you aren't a nutter on the road, because frankly a 996 TT should be able to leave most anything for dead. Of course beyond a certain point it all gets dangerously silly, or you are on such a twisty road that its just a tyre test anyway.
In the wet it might be a diffrent story as far as the 996tt but in the dry my 987s was right on my mates tail,we even swaped cars and did the same road again and the result was the same.Its a streach ot road where i live which really is empty 90% of the time,i know it like the back of my hand and its where i used to road test all of my bikes before i bought them.Porsches are great cars dan, but there are cars out there that really will puy egg on your face if you rub them up the wrong way,and its happened to me on that road when i had my old 2.5 boxster,it was a new cooper s it just blew me away.You cant get past 70 on this road but for me its always been a good test of a car's grip and balance etc..Ps im very sensible the rest of the time honest!
rob05 said:
In the wet it might be a diffrent story as far as the 996tt but in the dry my 987s was right on my mates tail,we even swaped cars and did the same road again and the result was the same.Its a streach ot road where i live which really is empty 90% of the time,i know it like the back of my hand and its where i used to road test all of my bikes before i bought them.Porsches are great cars dan, but there are cars out there that really will puy egg on your face if you rub them up the wrong way,and its happened to me on that road when i had my old 2.5 boxster,it was a new cooper s it just blew me away.You cant get past 70 on this road but for me its always been a good test of a car's grip and balance etc..Ps im very sensible the rest of the time honest!
To be honest mate, there are a lot of cars that can embarrass a 2.5 poxster
Its hardly the quickest bit of kit! If you can't get over 70 though, I can see why a 996 wouldn't put much ground on a boxster. Doesn't mean the 996 wouldn't be quicker in most other situations though as you can always contrive a test to get the result you want
I know for a fact though that my RS is slower on country roads than my Noble was, simply due to the harsh damping which doesn't really urge you to press on harder on crap surfaces.
Thanks for the replies so far. I swapped a facelift 986S for my 987S and to be honest its far too similar as a driving experience. A 996C2 (facelift, low miles hopefully with sports exhaust) should be high £30's on a 51 plate as a private sale.
Ive passengered a 996TT and its truly fierce. The X50's are still too expensive but early cars are £50k ish albeit a bit leggy. I dont know if I could justify £50k + on a 4/5 year old car tho..
Ive passengered a 996TT and its truly fierce. The X50's are still too expensive but early cars are £50k ish albeit a bit leggy. I dont know if I could justify £50k + on a 4/5 year old car tho..
Get a 996TT and then get it taken up to 500 BHP with 514 LBS of Torque - then it really can beat anything. I agree you need to get the other side of 70 though to really make that difference but of course we can't do that in this country.
Anyone know of a club that does high speed runs on old runways in the SE?
Anyone know of a club that does high speed runs on old runways in the SE?
highway said:
I swapped a facelift 986S for my 987S and to be honest its far too similar as a driving experience.
Interesting. That's the view I've been taking...not worth chopping in the 986S for a 987 one. Cost of change for what I'd get...it just doesn't appeal. Already been down the route of updating my car from one I bought nearly new to a brand new one to get the options I wanted...don't need to do that again...
DanH said:
...but there are cars out there that really will puy egg on your face if you rub them up the wrong way,and its happened to me on that road when i had my old 2.5 boxster,it was a new cooper s it just blew me away.You cant get past 70 on this road but for me its always been a good test of a car's grip and balance etc..Ps im very sensible the rest of the time honest!
I know for a fact though that my RS is slower on country roads than my Noble was, simply due to the harsh damping which doesn't really urge you to press on harder on crap surfaces.
Exactly - depends where you can use all that power/torque. My Golf is faster than my 996tt on 75% of the local backroads. Had a similar experience with a Cooper S one day - fortunately was in the Golf at the time, so didn't feel quite so embarrassed
Yes of course you can contrive a test,and i would'nt do that,and Danh when i said i know cos i've tried it i meant to add that,its just my way of looking at a cars handling qualities over a streach of road i am familiar with and i agree a different situation where more power comes into play will yield different results again.Too many different circumstances to factor in for fast road use to say this or that is faster.My opinion is that for most real life twisty country roads situations a guy in a decent performance hatchback,that knows the roads better than you will be always be haunting you in your rear view mirror no mater how much bhp your porsche has
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