When do I stop being registered keeper?
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age old question I suppose
Sold a car in April
Buy collected it a few weeks later.
I posted off the v5c/change of registered keeper form to the DVLA a couple of days later on 23rd April
someone didn't pay a toll on the 11th May
I got a fine through the post later in May...
finally got DVLA confirmation this month, confirming change date is 25th of May!
my simple question - at what point do I stop being registered keeper? When DVLA receive the notice, or some random date that they decide?
Sold a car in April
Buy collected it a few weeks later.
I posted off the v5c/change of registered keeper form to the DVLA a couple of days later on 23rd April
someone didn't pay a toll on the 11th May
I got a fine through the post later in May...
finally got DVLA confirmation this month, confirming change date is 25th of May!
my simple question - at what point do I stop being registered keeper? When DVLA receive the notice, or some random date that they decide?
PlywoodPascal said:
age old question I suppose
Sold a car in April
Buy collected it a few weeks later.
I posted off the v5c/change of registered keeper form to the DVLA a couple of days later on 23rd April
someone didn't pay a toll on the 11th May
I got a fine through the post later in May...
finally got DVLA confirmation this month, confirming change date is 25th of May!
my simple question - at what point do I stop being registered keeper? When DVLA receive the notice, or some random date that they decide?
Why are you still using the post, it's 2024 do it online and then the change is instantSold a car in April
Buy collected it a few weeks later.
I posted off the v5c/change of registered keeper form to the DVLA a couple of days later on 23rd April
someone didn't pay a toll on the 11th May
I got a fine through the post later in May...
finally got DVLA confirmation this month, confirming change date is 25th of May!
my simple question - at what point do I stop being registered keeper? When DVLA receive the notice, or some random date that they decide?
You will need to show them evidence that you were no longer the keeper at the time and details of who was, you may get lucky, but don't hold your breath
PlywoodPascal said:
because the car was sold for export and that bit isn't possible online
People are quick to judge!I think there's some data errors with DVLA as I sold a car over 18 months ago (and got a the confirmation slip) and two weeks ago got three speeding NIP's through the post in two days addressed to me. Spoke with DVLA over webchat and they confirmed I wasn't the registered keeper so somethings gone amiss!
DVLA have a process for fines and charges for vehicles you no longer own: https://www.gov.uk/driving-fines-letters-you-dont-...
I was given an email address and a (copy and pasted into email) form to fill out. The email address is BB@dvla.gov.uk and the form to complete is pasted below:
Please quote the following reference in the subject/title of your email: Being Bothered.
Your title ………………………………………………………………………….
Full name …………………………………………………………………………
Full Current address & Postcode ……………………………………………………….
Has the vehicle been registered at an alternative address, if so please confirm the address ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………......................................................................
Telephone number ……………………………………………………….
Vehicle Make and Model ……………………………………………………..
Vehicle Registration Number ………………………………………………..
Date you disposed of the vehicle ……………………………………………….
Please provide the details of who you disposed the vehicle to ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
What is the nature of the fine ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Hope that helps.
PlywoodPascal said:
because the car was sold for export and that bit isn't possible online
It clearly wasn’t because someone has been driving it around the UK racking up tickets… for you selling the car surely it makes no difference you sold it to a new keeper so you should have done it online. If the ‘new keeper’ wants to export it that is up to them to deal with DVLA using the appropriate method then.PlywoodPascal said:
because the car was sold for export and that bit isn't possible online
Is that even possible with the form? There's no such thing as being sold for export. You have three choices - sold privately, sold to a trader. you are taking it abroad for more than 12 months. Which did you do?QuattroDave said:
Hope that helps.
Thanks Dave, very helpful.Frustrating thing about this is that the people issuing the tickets say it’s my responsibility to prove to them i wasn;t the registered keeper.
I think actually it’s their responsibility to prove to themselves who the registered keeper is (because they want to fine them). If i say I’m not, they can either accept that and go away or try to prove it in court, I guess.
Apparently the invoice of the sale, the dates of the letters, the proof of change of registered keeper is all insufficient to stop the people (toll road) issuing the fine.. dvla say it so it must be true…
The outcome is that they get you to do their admin work for them in ringing the DVLA, sorting it all out, sending them the proof, all under threat of the hassle of the fine or some court process to prove you were not the registered keeper. All because the DVLA are so badly run it takes them 5 weeks to process a routine letter sent to them.
BertBert said:
PlywoodPascal said:
because the car was sold for export and that bit isn't possible online
Is that even possible with the form? There's no such thing as being sold for export. You have three choices - sold privately, sold to a trader. you are taking it abroad for more than 12 months. Which did you do?https://www.gov.uk/responsibilities-selling-vehicl...
PlywoodPascal said:
QuattroDave said:
Hope that helps.
Thanks Dave, very helpful.Frustrating thing about this is that the people issuing the tickets say it’s my responsibility to prove to them i wasn;t the registered keeper.
I think actually it’s their responsibility to prove to themselves who the registered keeper is (because they want to fine them). If i say I’m not, they can either accept that and go away or try to prove it in court, I guess.
Apparently the invoice of the sale, the dates of the letters, the proof of change of registered keeper is all insufficient to stop the people (toll road) issuing the fine.. dvla say it so it must be true…
The outcome is that they get you to do their admin work for them in ringing the DVLA, sorting it all out, sending them the proof, all under threat of the hassle of the fine or some court process to prove you were not the registered keeper. All because the DVLA are so badly run it takes them 5 weeks to process a routine letter sent to them.
I tried contacting West Midlands police to give them the details I have on the person who purchased my car but they point blank refused to accept it over email, I had to fill out all three forms (which I had) and I'm fully expecting West Mids to come back with questions/challenges.
Had a similar experience when an X5 I had was cloned, started getting speeding tickets from North London, usually being clocked early in the mornings 3-4am, wrote to them to say it wasn't me. Police wrote back and said "provide photos to prove it wasn't you.which I did. The response I got was "Yes it was me based on the 15 pictures of my car I had provided them". I then had to request the high def pictures they had and was quick to point out that the car in the photo's had the factory fitted roof bars which mine didn't and the rust spot evident on my left rear wing had miraculously cleared itself in the photos! Only then did they relent and send me a letter to produce to police should I get stopped in the future.
PlywoodPascal said:
That's for you taking it abroad. Not selling to someone else (who then used it in the UK) to take abroad surely?ETA which is what the V5 says.
BertBert said:
PlywoodPascal said:
That's for you taking it abroad. Not selling to someone else (who then used it in the UK) to take abroad surely?ETA which is what the V5 says.
'selling your vehicle'.
under a heading that says 'when you sell your vehicle'
under which it says "What you do with your log book depends on where the buyer is taking or registering the vehicle."
under which is the text I posted, which says "Include a letter giving the buyer’s name and address." - i.e. this is not for exporting your own vehicle, it's explicitly for selling your car, otherwise there would be no buyer to discuss (nor would it be on a page about selling your car).
Edited by PlywoodPascal on Monday 17th June 13:54
PlywoodPascal said:
BertBert said:
PlywoodPascal said:
That's for you taking it abroad. Not selling to someone else (who then used it in the UK) to take abroad surely?ETA which is what the V5 says.
'selling your vehicle'.
under a heading that says 'when you sell your vehicle'
under which it says "What you do with your log book depends on where the buyer is taking or registering the vehicle."
under which is the text I posted, which says "Include a letter giving the buyer’s name and address." - i.e. this is not for exporting your own vehicle, it's explicitly for selling your car, otherwise there would be no buyer to discuss (nor would it be on a page about selling your car).
Edited by PlywoodPascal on Monday 17th June 13:54
Did your letter to DVLA include the date of sale? That could be used as your evidence that the car is no longer your concern.
As a cynic I would say it is possible that the purchase was made in this way to get the car off the DVLA database so that it can be used for criminal purposes.
MustangGT said:
You have made it your problem
How so ? I followed, to the letter, the DVLA's instructions for what to do when you a sell a car.The DVLA have made it my problem by not acting on the information I supplied them in a timely way.
Edited by PlywoodPascal on Monday 17th June 16:49
MustangGT said:
As a cynic I would say it is possible that the purchase was made in this way to get the car off the DVLA database so that it can be used for criminal purposes.
highly unlikely unless the nasty crims wanted a very conspicuous, quite loud, slightly unreliable, and very leaky car that takes ages to get in and out of and only has two seats. this sub forum really is the most aggressively suspicious and judgemental part of PH, and is saying something.
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