RE: Rare carbon-bodied Noble M600 for sale
RE: Rare carbon-bodied Noble M600 for sale
Wednesday 14th August 2024

Rare carbon-bodied Noble M600 for sale

Not the affordable supercar slayer many were expecting, but who's going to turn down a 659hp manual V8?


Every British sports car company has its own distinct identity. Caterham may have a three-seat EV in the wings but for decades its sole model has been the skeletal Seven, and while that car's original creator is now also in the big, heavy electric car business, it’ll forever be known as the lightweight pioneer. And just look at Morgan. The Super 3 sticks out like a sore thumb against the Plus Four, Six and the gorgeous new Midsummer, yet its old-school barminess could only come from a company that still (sort of) uses ash wood frames.

Noble, however, has always been a bit of an outlier. Lee Noble’s first production car, the M10, was a two-seater convertible that sold in the single digits, and while the follow-up M12 carried over the Ford Mondeo-sourced 2.5-litre V6 and rear lights, it was a far more focused offering. All were fixed roof coupes with wind tunnel-tuned splitters and wings, while a brace of turbocharges doubled the power output of the M10. And because it was made from scaffolding and plastic, it was a good deal cheaper than the supercars it was run rings around on track days. So when Noble announced a successor to the M12 was in the works, many expected more supercar slaying performance at an affordable price.

What we’d end up getting is the car we have here: the M600. Like its predecessor, it could take the fight to most supercar makes and come out on top, yet it also had lots of carbon fibre, a stainless steel tub and a price tag five times greater than the outgoing M400. So what happened, then? Although the step between the two looks ginormous on paper, the M600 was a clear evolution of two prototypes that never saw production but did appear on TV a few times. It began with the M14, which was deemed too close to the M12 but is clearly the genesis of the M600’s design, while the M15 featured an all-new chassis and a longitudinally-mounted engine.

So no, the jump between the M12 and M600 isn’t quite as drastic as it first seems, although the latter was considerably faster and more complex than anything Noble had built before. The company finally ditched the old Mondeo V6 for a 4.4-litre Yamaha V8 with up to 659hp on tap (though it could be dialled back to 456hp and 558hp with the twist of a dial). Transmitting power to the rear wheels was a six-speed manual gearbox, while all four corners featured double wishbones with coilovers. A considerably more hi-tech offering, then, though as standard the body was made from glass fibre, with carbon panels available for a hefty fee - one that the original owner of this car forked out on.

While it wasn’t the affordable performance car many were hoping for, its do-it-yourself gearbox, primitive traction control and complete lack of ABS made the M600 one of the last great analogue supercars. That said, we found it surprisingly approachable when we tested it back in 2011, with Sutters writing: “It's actually a well-mannered, albeit very rapid machine that will, in the end, do everything it can to help you out - even if your inner maniac gets carried away every once in a while.”

Hard to imagine a featherweight, 659hp V8 supercar that can hit 60mph in just three seconds as ‘well-mannered’, but who am I to question the mighty Sutcliffe? Anyway, Noble only built around 30 of them worldwide, and only a fraction of those will be carbon-bodied like the car we have here. It’s offered at £239,900, or about the same price as the glass fibre cars were going for a decade ago. And it’s in superb condition, with just 7,000 miles on the clock and the Alcantara interior seemingly devoid of greasy hand prints. But if you prefer your Noble with more Mondeo parts, this M400 could be yours for an 75 per cent discount…


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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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I’d love it as a bit of an oddity in an existing supercar collection, but if I was someone with the plethora of choices £240k provides I’d be hard pressed to go for this.

That’s just me though, it’s a little too raw for what I’d want. It’s much more track focussed than something I’d ever use on the road, and for track duties I’d prefer something full on track oriented for around the £30k mark.

Looks okay apart from the front, but for the money it’s too focussed and a bit too kit car.

cerb4.5lee

44,556 posts

209 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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I've always really wanted a go in one of these for sure. Plenty of power mated to a low weight and a manual gearbox. So much to like I reckon. Very nice.

Water Fairy

6,591 posts

184 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Bit of a bargain if you ask me compared some stuff.

Like it a lot

Glenn63

3,922 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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My choice of supercar if I had such funds, love them, straight up extreme drivers car and nothing else.

Supercar Driver video of one here;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JraCQXcjks&pp=y...

WPA

14,671 posts

143 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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I like it but so many other choices for £240k

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,741 posts

127 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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One for the very committed.

By all accounts a lovely car, but you do wonder if Noble are going to survive, and, if not, how will that affect the ownership proposition. It is carbon bodied, but this is not, I think, an area that Noble had much experience in, so I imagine one is very much a bit of a test pilot on that.


C5_Steve

8,871 posts

132 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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WPA said:
I like it but so many other choices for £240k
True but they do seem to hold their value well don't they? I've always fancied an M12 and their prices seem pretty robust. I don't imagine you'd lose anything buying this and perhaps even make some back given the rarity.

Robertb

3,846 posts

267 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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WPA said:
I like it but so many other choices for £240k
But what though?

None of the usual suspects are as focussed and extreme as this.

Anything comparable from an "analogue supercar" point of view is 4 times the price, or more.

Would be a nice problem to ponder with money burning a hole...

Augustus Windsock

3,788 posts

184 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Wasn’t it an M600 that Hammond drove on Top Gear and the clutch plate disintegrated?

As a car I love it, although I’m sure my driving abilities and limits are nowhere near that of the car, but I too would probably spend my money elsewhere..

Peterpetrole

1,769 posts

26 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Robertb said:
WPA said:
I like it but so many other choices for £240k
But what though?

None of the usual suspects are as focussed and extreme as this.

Anything comparable from an "analogue supercar" point of view is 4 times the price, or more.

Would be a nice problem to ponder with money burning a hole...
Ultima?

KTM X BOW GT?

TheOctaneAddict

1,257 posts

76 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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I really do like these, they give me modern day F40 vibes.

sidesauce

2,967 posts

247 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Peterpetrole said:
Robertb said:
WPA said:
I like it but so many other choices for £240k
But what though?

None of the usual suspects are as focussed and extreme as this.

Anything comparable from an "analogue supercar" point of view is 4 times the price, or more.

Would be a nice problem to ponder with money burning a hole...
Ultima?

KTM X BOW GT?
For even more focus and extremity, BAC Mono R?

ntiz

2,677 posts

165 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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C5_Steve said:
True but they do seem to hold their value well don't they? I've always fancied an M12 and their prices seem pretty robust. I don't imagine you'd lose anything buying this and perhaps even make some back given the rarity.
I’m by no means an expert but there have been others available for around 170k that hung around for years unable to find a buyer.

I think they are very cool and no doubt an awesome choice. But I think you would have to go in with your eyes wide open regarding moving it on and potential bills if it went bang.

Who doesn’t love a heart over head purchase though!

TIGA84

5,586 posts

260 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Anyone know how many they built for the M600?

Snaaakeey

265 posts

101 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Ill take the donner car.

Just kidding. Its old school cool.

padrc66

52 posts

164 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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These are not quite what they seem - I remember speaking to one of their few engineering staff (out of a total staff of 8) and he explained that after Lee Noble left they recognised that they weren't selling many M12s because they were too cheap for Porsche/Ferrari Lambo buyers to consider even if they were as good/better in some ways. The solution was to buy in a V8, contract out chassis and body assembly to South Africa and quadruple the price.

it's only carbon panels on a steel chassis, not a carbon monocoque like a Mclaren, etc. This is mainly to justify the price rather than give any real engineering benefits. All they do in Hinckley is assemble the bits that are bought in from around the world - effectively a very expensive kit car.

chrisironside

965 posts

191 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Noice!

pti

1,856 posts

173 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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Snaaakeey said:


Ill take the donner car.

Just kidding. Its old school cool.

WCZ

11,500 posts

223 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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padrc66 said:
These are not quite what they seem - I remember speaking to one of their few engineering staff (out of a total staff of 8) and he explained that after Lee Noble left they recognised that they weren't selling many M12s because they were too cheap for Porsche/Ferrari Lambo buyers to consider even if they were as good/better in some ways. The solution was to buy in a V8, contract out chassis and body assembly to South Africa and quadruple the price.

it's only carbon panels on a steel chassis, not a carbon monocoque like a Mclaren, etc. This is mainly to justify the price rather than give any real engineering benefits. All they do in Hinckley is assemble the bits that are bought in from around the world - effectively a very expensive kit car.
interesting

Frogmella

353 posts

119 months

Wednesday 14th August 2024
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I was working Festivals of Speed a decade or so ago and up in the camping area for I think, the exhibitors, were two of these. One was in purple carbon fiber and they were stunning in the flesh.

As for 'why buy this when you could get x/y/z?' Typically the owners of the more left field stuff have either A - scratched that itch already B - are currently scratching that itch and have half a dozen or more in their garage already.