Ouch - Safety car crashes
Ouch - Safety car crashes
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Mammasaid

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4,985 posts

115 months

Jasandjules

71,442 posts

247 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Looks a rear axle issue. Brakes or the actual axle to me as it went a bit "floppy" then lost it...

Sandpit Steve

13,300 posts

92 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Video here: https://i.imgur.com/EZ8GUMh.mp4

It looks like it unsettles as he hits the brakes, then he pitches it into a spin when he realises he’s not making the corner. He’d have been somewhere close to 300kph at the start of his braking zone, they drive them pretty hard on Thursdays when they do the recce laps.

As it starts to spin, you can see that the rear brakes are glowing but the fronts aren’t, which says to me some sort of front brake failure.



The course cars are very much based on a road car rather than a race car, it’s basically out of the showroom minus the cats and plus a roll cage and all the FIA stuff. It’s not a GT3 car in disguise, and runs fast road tyres that can cope with rain. Brakes and suspension are all standard road car, supposedly for reliability reasons!!

CLK-GTR

1,592 posts

263 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Oh dear Aston Martin! I think it very unlikely a driver of Maylander's calibre simply lost it there. Looks much more like a mechanical issue.

Muzzer79

12,370 posts

205 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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CLK-GTR said:
Oh dear Aston Martin! I think it very unlikely a driver of Maylander's calibre simply lost it there. Looks much more like a mechanical issue.
That's very presumptive

They push the safety car hard on Thursdays in order to prepare for the race weekend.

This is the first time I can recall the safety car actually making contact with a barrier but it's certainly not the first time the driver of it has lost control.


sandman77

2,955 posts

156 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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CLK-GTR said:
Oh dear Aston Martin! I think it very unlikely a driver of Maylander's calibre simply lost it there. Looks much more like a mechanical issue.
Really? Looks to me like he simply lost it under breaking. Happens to the best on occasion.

PhilAsia

6,410 posts

93 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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I am inclined to think he hit the brakes...nothing..., hits the handbrake, the rear locks, then one tyre gains more traction as his hand comes back to the wheel, just as control of the rear is lost.

It may be better to wait for an explanation as to the circumstances though - if one is forthcoming.

StevieBee

14,425 posts

273 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Logan Sargent's first day in his new job didn't go too well, then!

rider73

4,133 posts

95 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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i thought i saw somewhere on twitter confirmed as brake failure?

anonymous-user

72 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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eek Good job they have a backup safety car!

Peterpetrole

1,066 posts

15 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Jasandjules said:
Looks a rear axle issue. Brakes or the actual axle to me as it went a bit "floppy" then lost it...
I'm going with this, axle ^^^^ looked unstable maybe before even braking. Monza curbs have been flattened this year apparently, was Maylander therefore hammering it harder over the curbs rather than threading it?

Presuming Ed

1,630 posts

226 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Looks like he's gone for the brakes, realised there is little there and deliberately scandi flicked it into a slide to lose as much speed as possible before exiting fast off. Thats the difference between a them and us.

White-Noise

5,334 posts

266 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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I cant believe the standard brakes would be up to the job!

Silverbullet767

10,972 posts

224 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Front right brake failure perhaps? Looks to take a dip to the left violently suggesting only that front brake did it's job. At that speed it's only going to end one way.

Glad everyone's ok

Sandpit Steve

13,300 posts

92 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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White-Noise said:
I cant believe the standard brakes would be up to the job!
The Mercedes version of the safety car, the AMG GT Black Series, set the Nurburgring production car lap record when it was first introduced. The AM version isn’t an awful lot slower. Both have carbon ceramic brakes as standard.

If you’re going to use a road car rather than a race car, which you want to because you don’t need all the performance but do need the reliability, there’s not much better out there. The SC needs to be able to start on a button every time, happily sit idling for an hour without cooking anything or anyone, and then launch into half a dozen hot laps at a few seconds’ notice.

White-Noise

5,334 posts

266 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Sandpit Steve said:
White-Noise said:
I cant believe the standard brakes would be up to the job!
The Mercedes version of the safety car, the AMG GT Black Series, set the Nurburgring production car lap record when it was first introduced. The AM version isn’t an awful lot slower. Both have carbon ceramic brakes as standard.

If you’re going to use a road car rather than a race car, which you want to because you don’t need all the performance but do need the reliability, there’s not much better out there. The SC needs to be able to start on a button every time, happily sit idling for an hour without cooking anything or anyone, and then launch into half a dozen hot laps at a few seconds’ notice.
Ah The carbon brakes makes more sense. I've not owned a car like one of these but I would be interested as to how good the standard non-carbon brakes are.

Megaflow

10,564 posts

243 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Presuming Ed said:
Looks like he's gone for the brakes, realised there is little there and deliberately scandi flicked it into a slide to lose as much speed as possible before exiting fast off. Thats the difference between a them and us.
Absolutely that ^

CLK-GTR

1,592 posts

263 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
That's very presumptive

They push the safety car hard on Thursdays in order to prepare for the race weekend.

This is the first time I can recall the safety car actually making contact with a barrier but it's certainly not the first time the driver of it has lost control.
Watch the video closely. The car twitches briefly at the braking zone but does not slow down, then you can see a second later he purposely flicks the wheel to send it into a spin. The image of glowing rear brakes suggests brake failure.

I'd be amazed if that's driver error.



Edited by CLK-GTR on Friday 30th August 14:18

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201 months

Friday 30th August 2024
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