When is an "All New" car really all new?
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I find it massively disappointing that we seem to live in an era where every new car shares the platform and often the drivetrain with at least 10 others, and yet they are described as "All New". The Dacia Bigster is just the latest example, they crop up on an almost daily basis.
To try and turn the thread into a positive one I'd like to start a list of genuinely all new cars, and throw it open to other suggestions. I think it's quite an inspiring list, even if the cars on it weren't always commercially successful, or paragons of reliability.
In no particular order:-
1. Tesla Model S
2. NSU Ro80
3. Alfasud
4. HIllman Imp
5. Lexus LS400 (not sure on that one, my Japanese car history isn't that great.
6. Renault 16
Over to you guys
To try and turn the thread into a positive one I'd like to start a list of genuinely all new cars, and throw it open to other suggestions. I think it's quite an inspiring list, even if the cars on it weren't always commercially successful, or paragons of reliability.
In no particular order:-
1. Tesla Model S
2. NSU Ro80
3. Alfasud
4. HIllman Imp
5. Lexus LS400 (not sure on that one, my Japanese car history isn't that great.
6. Renault 16
Over to you guys
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a16570798...
I suppose it just depends on how new you want an "all new" car to be ...
I suppose it just depends on how new you want an "all new" car to be ...
andyalan10 said:
I find it massively disappointing that we seem to live in an era where every new car shares the platform and often the drivetrain with at least 10 others, and yet they are described as "All New". The Dacia Bigster is just the latest example, they crop up on an almost daily basis.
To try and turn the thread into a positive one I'd like to start a list of genuinely all new cars, and throw it open to other suggestions. I think it's quite an inspiring list, even if the cars on it weren't always commercially successful, or paragons of reliability.
In no particular order:-
1. Tesla Model S
2. NSU Ro80
3. Alfasud
4. HIllman Imp
5. Lexus LS400 (not sure on that one, my Japanese car history isn't that great.
6. Renault 16
Over to you guys
Didn't the Imp use a fire pump engine?To try and turn the thread into a positive one I'd like to start a list of genuinely all new cars, and throw it open to other suggestions. I think it's quite an inspiring list, even if the cars on it weren't always commercially successful, or paragons of reliability.
In no particular order:-
1. Tesla Model S
2. NSU Ro80
3. Alfasud
4. HIllman Imp
5. Lexus LS400 (not sure on that one, my Japanese car history isn't that great.
6. Renault 16
Over to you guys
BMW i3 is a very good shout, particularly in all electric form.
About the Tesla Model S, I think it qualifies as probably about 90-95% of the components were unique to that model at launch. It seems that nowadays manufacturers are happy to claim model "A" shares 80% of its components with model "B" when they are talking to their investors about how efficient they are, and that model "A" is "All new", which the press then happily copies and pastes.
Imp and its Coventry Climax engine, I doubt any components were shared with the original fire pump, but I may be wrong.
I'll add another couple:-
Saab 99 in 1967, first use of the slant 4 which shared some history with the Triumph version.
Rover 2000 in 1963
Peugeot 104
So there's a common theme of manufacturers moving into an entirely new market segment
Ooh, Smart ForTwo
Original Honda Civic I think counts as well. Honda seem to have a bit if a track record.
Mark 3 escort? First application of the CVH engine?
About the Tesla Model S, I think it qualifies as probably about 90-95% of the components were unique to that model at launch. It seems that nowadays manufacturers are happy to claim model "A" shares 80% of its components with model "B" when they are talking to their investors about how efficient they are, and that model "A" is "All new", which the press then happily copies and pastes.
Imp and its Coventry Climax engine, I doubt any components were shared with the original fire pump, but I may be wrong.
I'll add another couple:-
Saab 99 in 1967, first use of the slant 4 which shared some history with the Triumph version.
Rover 2000 in 1963
Peugeot 104
So there's a common theme of manufacturers moving into an entirely new market segment
Ooh, Smart ForTwo
Original Honda Civic I think counts as well. Honda seem to have a bit if a track record.
Mark 3 escort? First application of the CVH engine?
Launching a new engine is expensive and risky, and launching a new platform is expensive and risky, so launching both at once is something to be avoided at all costs.
Also it's the nature of good engineering to build and iterate on what went before, and if something is fine why needlessly reinvent it? We're close to the ICE automobile in it's final form (hence everything is more or less the same too) so you'll see even less "all new" stuff and more pointless b
ks "innovation" to try and entice buyers to new cars.
Also it's the nature of good engineering to build and iterate on what went before, and if something is fine why needlessly reinvent it? We're close to the ICE automobile in it's final form (hence everything is more or less the same too) so you'll see even less "all new" stuff and more pointless b
ks "innovation" to try and entice buyers to new cars.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff