Unmarked police vans deployed in speeding crack down
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Unmarked police vans deployed in speeding crack down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete b
ks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete b
ks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.robinessex said:
Unmarked police vans deployed in speeding crack down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete bks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.
Or the stopping distance. Reaction times etc.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete b
ks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.robinessex said:
Unmarked police vans deployed in speeding crack down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete bks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.
Leading causation factors in fatality collisions.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete b
ks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.1. Loss of control 24%
2. Failed to look properly 23%
3. Careless/Reckless or in a hurry 21%
4. Exceeding speed limit 19%
5. Failed to judge another's path/speed 11%
Here in Sussex we have signs saying Unmarked Police Patrols or similar. Only time I have seen one in action was after dark when a car hammered past on a DC with a motor bike in close attendance. Maybe the driver thought he was having a race?
Anyway at the next built-up area the two were stopped at the roadside “having a chat”. The previously ordinary bike had sprouted blue twinkling lights all over.
Anyway at the next built-up area the two were stopped at the roadside “having a chat”. The previously ordinary bike had sprouted blue twinkling lights all over.
Interestingly where speed is given as a cause it is categorised as any of the following
exceeding speed limit,
travelling too fast for conditions (including loss of control or swerving)
driver or rider being aggressive, dangerous or reckless.
There is no data provided to break this down to show what percentage of speed related incidents involve a speed above the limit.
From my observations, it seems that exceeding the speed limit is much less likely to be the cause of an incident than either of the others.
I welcome more unmarked police on the roads, but if all they are doing is comparing speeds with an arbitrary limit, it is not getting the best from their time. Tailgating and mobile phone use are widespread but nothing seems to be done about them and they should be a priority for unmarked police..
exceeding speed limit,
travelling too fast for conditions (including loss of control or swerving)
driver or rider being aggressive, dangerous or reckless.
There is no data provided to break this down to show what percentage of speed related incidents involve a speed above the limit.
From my observations, it seems that exceeding the speed limit is much less likely to be the cause of an incident than either of the others.
I welcome more unmarked police on the roads, but if all they are doing is comparing speeds with an arbitrary limit, it is not getting the best from their time. Tailgating and mobile phone use are widespread but nothing seems to be done about them and they should be a priority for unmarked police..
vonhosen said:
Leading causation factors in fatality collisions.
1. Loss of control 24%
2. Failed to look properly 23%
3. Careless/Reckless or in a hurry 21%
4. Exceeding speed limit 19%
5. Failed to judge another's path/speed 11%
Thanks for the injection of common sense via facts. Add in the fact that in non-fatal accidents speeding as a cause rather than a contributor to seriousness of injuries and it falls lower down the list again. Last time I looked the overall figure was around 6% to all accidents.1. Loss of control 24%
2. Failed to look properly 23%
3. Careless/Reckless or in a hurry 21%
4. Exceeding speed limit 19%
5. Failed to judge another's path/speed 11%
Wherabouts would 'not paying attention' and dangerous driving come in the list?
robinessex said:
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out..."
Really?In which case I'd have thought a MARKED camera van would be more effective.
Can I respectfully suggest that the CI's trousers may currently be experiencing a sizeable and self-inflicted conflagration?
robinessex said:
Unmarked police vans deployed in speeding crack down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete bks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.
I'm sure I previously read that that isn't true, however I looked it up and it seems to be the case.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete b
ks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.Not sure that "hiding" the mobile units is the answer though, shouldn't they be more visible eg don't hide them around bends etc
TX.
vonhosen said:
robinessex said:
Unmarked police vans deployed in speeding crack down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete bks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.
Leading causation factors in fatality collisions.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdne7r8r7o
"nmarked police road safety vans are being launched across Somerset and Bristol to help stop speeding drivers.
Avon and Somerset Police said it has identified specific areas of concern using community reports, Speedwatch schemes and collision data.
The aim is to deter speeding and prevent serious collisions by encouraging "consistent safe driving behaviours", it said.
Ch Insp Robert Cheeseman, head of road policing and road safety for the force, added: “The use of unmarked speed detection vans is not about catching people out, it’s about protecting lives."
"Speeding is one of the leading causes of fatal and serious injury collisions, and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to address this," he said................continues"
A classic case of someone, who should know better, talking complete b
ks. If my memory serves me well, when the intro of speed cameras started, I seem to remember the official (government) figure for speed to be the (possible) major factor was 4%. Nowadays we get "A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash." Speed will naturally make an accident worse, but it doesn't CAUSE any accidents other than exceeding the cornering ability of your vehicle. Meanwhile, look forward to the traffic Gestapo finding another excuse to plaster the country with speed cameras and rake in the cash.1. Loss of control 24%
2. Failed to look properly 23%
3. Careless/Reckless or in a hurry 21%
4. Exceeding speed limit 19%
5. Failed to judge another's path/speed 11%
3. Careless/Reckless or in a hurry 21% = speed related (hurry)
4. Exceeding speed limit 19% = speed related
5. Failed to judge another's path/speed 11% = speed related
My maths make that 51%.
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