Apache cock up
Discussion
Is there anything this Government has done that has not ended in a disaster of embarassing magnitude. They bought a shedload of expensive toys and overlooked the fact that our weather isn't like the US and it will take twice as long to train the crews. Christ on a bike! no wonder we are taxed to buggerey and back, we're paying for this and every other expensive f**k up. Anyone care to add to the list?
Having just left the military after 12 years I would put the blame on the muppets in charge, they treat everyone like S**T then wonder why people are leaving. The American military encourage further education to aid with promotion, even to the point of taking classrooms and civilian teachers to camps in Bosnia....the British are lucky if they get a box of books from the WI.
Ex Proud 2 Serve, Now Glad 2 B Out
Ex Proud 2 Serve, Now Glad 2 B Out
They have done really well there. A helicopter which, if it had a pilot to fly it, can't shoot it's weapon as it's likely to shoot itself down. Almost as good as my car buying skills.
What with this, the US's propensity for shooting it's own troops and letting the world's most wanted man escape their most trained forces on the back of a scooter is it any wonder that Sadam doesn't appear too concerned when we threaten him.
What with this, the US's propensity for shooting it's own troops and letting the world's most wanted man escape their most trained forces on the back of a scooter is it any wonder that Sadam doesn't appear too concerned when we threaten him.
Living in Scotland is the ideal spot for one of the biggest ever government cock ups. Devolution requires us (apparently) to build a Scottish Parliament, despite the fact that a very suitable ex school impressive building could easily have been converted and had previously been earmarked for the purpose. As usual this was not good enough for Bliars lot - they had to chuck our money about. Originally they told the public it would cost between £10m and £30m. It is miles behind and so far the most recent estimate for completion is £308m. Most in the know reckon it will probably end up costing nearer £350m. This is a totally outrageous and irresponsible waste to house a bunch of thick leftie imbeciles. So far one leader has resigned after cheating on expenses, and the replacement now has a growing problem of a similar nature threatening his future. What a farce. How do we ever allow this lot of wasters to reach these levels.
When I become dictator I will garrot the lot of them.
I doubt if they would understand as the majority of the members of the Scottish Parliament have difficulty stringing a reasonable sentence together. We need IQ testing at puberty with compulsory sterilisation for those not meeting the standards. In due course the country would revert to normality.
When I become dictator I will garrot the lot of them.
I doubt if they would understand as the majority of the members of the Scottish Parliament have difficulty stringing a reasonable sentence together. We need IQ testing at puberty with compulsory sterilisation for those not meeting the standards. In due course the country would revert to normality.
this is yet another monumental cock-up that we've been forunate enough to have paid for with all our hard-earned, so let's all thank Uncle Billy L for that..
What it actually is, as with the Scotland thing, is as I've propounded previously - this is due to the inertia and inbred staffing culture of the civil service. It needs burning down and starting again.
It's processes are cumbersome and it's mindset paeleolithic. Procurement problems have dogged every single large Government project for as long as I can remember. Doesn't matter what party is in power, where a civil servant is there to facilitate, the project is doomed.
They think that it's a good idea to pay £20k for a project manager ergo they get the lowest, most useless PMs available. (With one or two honourable exceptions, but these are contractors anyway....)
The majority of staff have been there for thirty years and between daydreaming about their allotment and wondering why things just aren't what they used to be, they're proceduralising their procedures, logarithmically increasing their paperwork burden and they pin traffic warden photos up on their bedroom wall. 'What is change?' 'What is efficiency?' 'What is a clue? Do I have one?'
The whole civil service institution needs overturning and its prime participants slaughtered.
Why do you think that successive government have been so keen to get private sector involved wherever possible??? Twice the productivity with half the people for a third of the cost. Or so goes the theory. The civil servants are still the interface in the PFI sandwich, and being self serving, by luck or judgement, they consistently engineer PFI projects to come in late over budget and more expensive than the civil servants reckon they could have done the job for themselves.
What motivation is there for civil service to make these projects to succeed? Incentives??? Hello???
retards. burn them all.
What it actually is, as with the Scotland thing, is as I've propounded previously - this is due to the inertia and inbred staffing culture of the civil service. It needs burning down and starting again.
It's processes are cumbersome and it's mindset paeleolithic. Procurement problems have dogged every single large Government project for as long as I can remember. Doesn't matter what party is in power, where a civil servant is there to facilitate, the project is doomed.
They think that it's a good idea to pay £20k for a project manager ergo they get the lowest, most useless PMs available. (With one or two honourable exceptions, but these are contractors anyway....)
The majority of staff have been there for thirty years and between daydreaming about their allotment and wondering why things just aren't what they used to be, they're proceduralising their procedures, logarithmically increasing their paperwork burden and they pin traffic warden photos up on their bedroom wall. 'What is change?' 'What is efficiency?' 'What is a clue? Do I have one?'
The whole civil service institution needs overturning and its prime participants slaughtered.
Why do you think that successive government have been so keen to get private sector involved wherever possible??? Twice the productivity with half the people for a third of the cost. Or so goes the theory. The civil servants are still the interface in the PFI sandwich, and being self serving, by luck or judgement, they consistently engineer PFI projects to come in late over budget and more expensive than the civil servants reckon they could have done the job for themselves.
What motivation is there for civil service to make these projects to succeed? Incentives??? Hello???
retards. burn them all.
spaceman said: Dont believe everything you read in the papers the Apache is still the best attack helicopter in the world and the UK model is an improvement over the US aircraft.
Too true, and it's not hard just to tell the pilots 'OK lads, don't fire the Hellfires oo the Left(?) hand side!' and hey presto! no more crashing Apaches. For those who don't know, the improvement over the US version is in the avionics and the radar (there's a reason we could still the 'stealth' planes in desert storm
) Edited because Miss Stella and he Sisters are helping me spell.
>> Edited by FunkyNige on Thursday 31st October 21:02
How about some US hardware packing up then?
4 Stealths were on a tour of Europe for the last week.
One broke down in either Spain or Germany and arrived here 2 days late.
Then they were due to go back to the US last Thursday when, one or both of the KC10 support tankers went unservicable.
On Monday they were due to go back to the US when another Stealth had hydraulic problems.The final 2 Stealths went back yesterday.
Re. the Apache it is one of the worlds best attack helicopters, we may have some Eurofighter Typhoons (minus a gun) in service by then aswell.
Lee
4 Stealths were on a tour of Europe for the last week.
One broke down in either Spain or Germany and arrived here 2 days late.
Then they were due to go back to the US last Thursday when, one or both of the KC10 support tankers went unservicable.
On Monday they were due to go back to the US when another Stealth had hydraulic problems.The final 2 Stealths went back yesterday.
Re. the Apache it is one of the worlds best attack helicopters, we may have some Eurofighter Typhoons (minus a gun) in service by then aswell.
Lee
Agreed but not without its problems during the gulf war nearly a quarter of the apache fleet was grounded due to fatigue in the rotor blades caused by the heat on the carbon fibre and titanium parts and as been at times problamatic with software issues,as regards the UK having an improved model over the US version it hasnt its just that they have bought more of the longbow variant.
spaceman said: Dont believe everything you read in the papers the Apache is still the best attack helicopter in the world and the UK model is an improvement over the US aircraft.
>> Edited by BLUETHUNDER on Thursday 31st October 21:40
RUF 3 said: ....most recent estimate for completion is £308m. Most in the know reckon it will probably end up costing nearer £350m
Sorry, but £1 billion is nearer the mark and then they will realise the roof leaks, door ways are not wide enough and the £600K carpet is actually Yak hair from nepal.
edited to say 'this is made up'
>> Edited by s_willy on Thursday 31st October 22:06
numpties caught in the act of whatever.......new form of enforcment....
Even the Aussies have it . .
2 years ago they spent $6 billion (£2.5 billion) on 6 super submarines - that could be detected simply by their sound!!! It was a new government agency that "won" the contract to build them . . and probably "fix" them as well.
Then the new Colonial Stadium in Melbourne ($400 million) had the old slippy carpet for grass and they had move the games to old place . . .
Muppets world wide!
2 years ago they spent $6 billion (£2.5 billion) on 6 super submarines - that could be detected simply by their sound!!! It was a new government agency that "won" the contract to build them . . and probably "fix" them as well.
Then the new Colonial Stadium in Melbourne ($400 million) had the old slippy carpet for grass and they had move the games to old place . . .
Muppets world wide!
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