eBay bargains and courier compensation
eBay bargains and courier compensation
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GasEngineer

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1,571 posts

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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You win an auction and get something for an absolute bargain - let's say a £200 value item for £20.

The item goes missing in the post. Can you claim for the actual value* or only the price you won the auction for?

  • proven by the price of exactly the same item elsewhere.

Fast and Spurious

1,802 posts

104 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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The key word here is compensation. Compensation covers your loss, in this case £20.

RedWhiteMonkey

7,925 posts

198 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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GasEngineer said:
You win an auction and get something for an absolute bargain - let's say a £200 value item for £20.

The item goes missing in the post. Can you claim for the actual value* or only the price you won the auction for?

  • proven by the price of exactly the same item elsewhere.
Are you asking if it is ok to commit fraud and make a claim for more than you actually paid for something? Only you can answer that one.

essayer

10,222 posts

210 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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It’s worth £20, not £200

Evolved

3,923 posts

203 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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GasEngineer said:
You win an auction and get something for an absolute bargain - let's say a £200 value item for £20.

The item goes missing in the post. Can you claim for the actual value* or only the price you won the auction for?

  • proven by the price of exactly the same item elsewhere.
It’s a moot point as the onus is on the seller. EBay will simply refund you and the seller opens his case with RM.

For info. What you’re asking is fraud. Regardless, the total cost has to be declared or a default amount is covered depending on the service bought. Good luck trying to get any money back from them though. Hateful organisation.

GasEngineer

Original Poster:

1,571 posts

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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Why could the claim not be for the actual value rather than the bargain price the buyer paid.

The buyer loses out on the bargain find if not.


GasEngineer

Original Poster:

1,571 posts

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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essayer said:
It’s worth £20, not £200
You could say it's worth £200 but the buyer only paid £20.

RedWhiteMonkey

7,925 posts

198 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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GasEngineer said:
You could say it's worth £200 but the buyer only paid £20.
In terms of compensation you can't, unless you are committing fraud. Regardless of that, if you make the claim through eBay (not sure how else you would do it) they will only let you claim the winning costs you paid.

BertBert

20,423 posts

227 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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It's worth what it is worth. We have debated this here in the past. At the literally point of purchase it was worth £20 which is the loss.
What happens over time? If it's an appreciating thing like a car - all that "overs" nonsense that goes on. Those cars are definitely worth more when they are driven out of the showroom.

At some point if that car was lost/stolen the loss of the owner is what they could have sold it for - the market value.

Hol

9,132 posts

216 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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Ironically, if someone sent you a gift worth £200 which was confirmed as lost by the courier, they could claim for it.


MustangGT

13,441 posts

296 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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Would it not be the seller to make the claim, if they arranged the post/courier?

808 Estate

2,437 posts

107 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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If the seller has the original £200 receipt, they could claim that value.
Then refund you the £20 you paid.

Richard-390a0

2,957 posts

107 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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IIRC you can only claim a maximum of £20 via R.M unless Special Delivery or additional insurance purchased.

2020vision

576 posts

12 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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GasEngineer said:
Why could the claim not be for the actual value rather than the bargain price the buyer paid.

The buyer loses out on the bargain find if not.
You could always lobby the labour government to set up a “Lost Bargains Compensation Board” with sufficient funds to compensate the self-interested delusional among us.

Speak to Starmer and Rayner. One has a unique take on justice, the other a unique take on….well, taking.

2020vision

576 posts

12 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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GasEngineer said:
You win an auction and get something for an absolute bargain - let's say a £200 value item for £20.

The item goes missing in the post. Can you claim for the actual value* or only the price you won the auction for?

  • proven by the price of exactly the same item elsewhere.
I have a couple of £20k watches I can sell you for £20. Now who can we claim off when they get lost on their way to you? Split the profit.

You could clean up better than Mr Musk!

BertBert

20,423 posts

227 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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2020vision said:
I have a couple of £20k watches I can sell you for £20. Now who can we claim off when they get lost on their way to you? Split the profit.

You could clean up better than Mr Musk!
I'm wondering why you post so much nonsense that has no relevance to the topic under debate.

119

13,041 posts

52 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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BertBert said:
2020vision said:
I have a couple of £20k watches I can sell you for £20. Now who can we claim off when they get lost on their way to you? Split the profit.

You could clean up better than Mr Musk!
I'm wondering why you post so much nonsense that has no relevance to the topic under debate.
Pretty much the same for the OP tbh.

WPA

12,255 posts

130 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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Worth remembering that if claiming from Royal Mail that you have to supply all details of the auction including the receipt showing price paid.

If you don't supply they will throw the claim out.

Just done a claim a few weeks ago.

5lab

1,750 posts

212 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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I don't think claiming £200 is necessarily fraud.

Lets say I buy the item for £20 as a gift for a friend, wrap it in wrapping paper and send it on, it gets lost at this point, what can I claim? what happens if its a year later? reversing it, if I bought a ps4 and a copy of FIFA in 2014 for £450, and I post it tomorrow, can I claim £450 if its lost?

IMO the amount you can claim is the value of the item. If you only paid £20 proving the value of the item is £200 is extremely difficult, but may be possible.

Jamescrs

5,425 posts

81 months

Thursday 7th November 2024
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It’s not going to happen for a couple of reasons.

The delivery contract is between seller who posts the item and courier. I used to sell a lot on eBay and every time you post the courier asks for value of item, I always used purchase price.

On the very rare occasion and item was lost they asked for the sale details as proof of value so I would send them a screenshot or item number, that’s how they value the item for compensation to the poster, not the recipient.

The recipient gets their refund of the purchase price from the seller.