FTTP slower than copper
Discussion
Anyone else "upgraded" to FTTP and found it to actually be worse? Limited knowledge on the subject but I guess it is bandwidth related? I am on one of the slower FTTP packages but it is still claimed to be significantly faster than the previous copper one, yet I notice no increase in speed at all, it is noticeably worse with regular stuttering on youtube etc which was previously fine.
Just read they plan to retire the copper network which explains why fibre was offered cheaper.
Just read they plan to retire the copper network which explains why fibre was offered cheaper.
Same ISP?
There's no reason why fibre should be slower than copper. Copper will max out at 70 odd Mbit, I'm currently on a FTTP product which is 900Mbit.
What does a speed test (e.g. fast.com) show? Remember these speeds are to your router, not necessarily your device - e.g. I'm on 900Mbit here but fast.com shows 140mbit as my wifi signal isn't great.
There's no reason why fibre should be slower than copper. Copper will max out at 70 odd Mbit, I'm currently on a FTTP product which is 900Mbit.
What does a speed test (e.g. fast.com) show? Remember these speeds are to your router, not necessarily your device - e.g. I'm on 900Mbit here but fast.com shows 140mbit as my wifi signal isn't great.
Its interesting, ive just done a speed test, as im at my g/f house, new build on full fiber, download 60, up 7. shes on a sky 60mb deal.
At my place old copper and a 30mb talk talk deal, i get 30 down and about 15 up, but it always seems , if not faster more responsive somehow.
Maybe i have less devices hogging the bandwith.
And her tv sometimes freezes on netflix etc, but mine never does, her tv is wired to the router, mine uses wifi. so im not sure what difference the speed really makes.
At my place old copper and a 30mb talk talk deal, i get 30 down and about 15 up, but it always seems , if not faster more responsive somehow.
Maybe i have less devices hogging the bandwith.
And her tv sometimes freezes on netflix etc, but mine never does, her tv is wired to the router, mine uses wifi. so im not sure what difference the speed really makes.
Sy1441 said:
markiii said:
have you speed tested it it?
I suspect its contention rather than bandwidth
the last of teh copper people to move will have very low contention,
If you're on a faster package it's either this, throttling by your provider or a fault at your property with your equipment.I suspect its contention rather than bandwidth
the last of teh copper people to move will have very low contention,
Yes, you probably are testing fine with speedtests but that isn't the whole story, and then trying to get the first line of support to understand the issue is another wall.
Who is the ISP OP?
s91 said:
Same ISP, same router, same device, speed test does actually show the claimed numbers.
There's no perceivable difference in reality although I wasn't expecting much as it's the fastest copper vs cheapest FTTP package.
If speedtest is correct, then its working as expected.There's no perceivable difference in reality although I wasn't expecting much as it's the fastest copper vs cheapest FTTP package.
If you cannot perceive a difference then you are probably just browsing the web, rather than downloading gbs of Linux isos.

Web pages are generally dozens or hundreds of small files, the overhead of downloading each of these files cannot be overcome by having faster download speeds.
100mbit is overkill for 90% of casual users.
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
The odds of the same router is low.
You will have a new white box inside. If you don't you don't have full fibre
It's entirely possible it's the same router on FTTP vs FTTC.You will have a new white box inside. If you don't you don't have full fibre
Going from whatever the FTTC was at say 50-70mbps to a low end FTTP package (145mbps maybe, they even do a 70-odd package so couldbe that!) will not be very noticeable in general browsing.
It's definitely the same router, and definitely FTTP. New cable from distribution box on top of the pole, new box on outside of house and powered box inside. Previous setup was FTTC, with a very short run of copper as the cabinet is very close.
I think making this a speed issue was the wrong way to word it, it's more so this occasionally pause in streaming videos, it used to be seamless, but now sometimes isn't. I wasn't really expecting to notice any difference in speed, but I certainly wasn't expecting this annoying problem either. Sometimes it stops loading and I have to manually skip the video forward to get it going again, like it's given up on loading the video all together.
I think making this a speed issue was the wrong way to word it, it's more so this occasionally pause in streaming videos, it used to be seamless, but now sometimes isn't. I wasn't really expecting to notice any difference in speed, but I certainly wasn't expecting this annoying problem either. Sometimes it stops loading and I have to manually skip the video forward to get it going again, like it's given up on loading the video all together.
Sy1441 said:
If you're on a faster package it's either this, throttling by your provider or a fault at your property with your equipment.
Or packet loss. When we first had FTTP installed, we had about 20% packet loss which made the connection pretty much unusable. Not sure exactly what/where the problem was, the ISP couldn't find anything specific wrong but the problem just... vanished. kambites said:
Or packet loss. When we first had FTTP installed, we had about 20% packet loss which made the connection pretty much unusable. Not sure exactly what/where the problem was, the ISP couldn't find anything specific wrong but the problem just... vanished.
Oof. That sounds like a nightmare to try to figure out. richhead said:
Its interesting, ive just done a speed test, as im at my g/f house, new build on full fiber, download 60, up 7. shes on a sky 60mb deal.
At my place old copper and a 30mb talk talk deal, i get 30 down and about 15 up, but it always seems , if not faster more responsive somehow.
Maybe i have less devices hogging the bandwith.
And her tv sometimes freezes on netflix etc, but mine never does, her tv is wired to the router, mine uses wifi. so im not sure what difference the speed really makes.
That could be an old or crappy version of the Netflix app on her telly. Or her telly isn't capable of running the app very well.At my place old copper and a 30mb talk talk deal, i get 30 down and about 15 up, but it always seems , if not faster more responsive somehow.
Maybe i have less devices hogging the bandwith.
And her tv sometimes freezes on netflix etc, but mine never does, her tv is wired to the router, mine uses wifi. so im not sure what difference the speed really makes.
s91 said:
It's definitely the same router, and definitely FTTP. New cable from distribution box on top of the pole, new box on outside of house and powered box inside. Previous setup was FTTC, with a very short run of copper as the cabinet is very close.
I think making this a speed issue was the wrong way to word it, it's more so this occasionally pause in streaming videos, it used to be seamless, but now sometimes isn't. I wasn't really expecting to notice any difference in speed, but I certainly wasn't expecting this annoying problem either. Sometimes it stops loading and I have to manually skip the video forward to get it going again, like it's given up on loading the video all together.
Who is your ISP?I think making this a speed issue was the wrong way to word it, it's more so this occasionally pause in streaming videos, it used to be seamless, but now sometimes isn't. I wasn't really expecting to notice any difference in speed, but I certainly wasn't expecting this annoying problem either. Sometimes it stops loading and I have to manually skip the video forward to get it going again, like it's given up on loading the video all together.
AlexC1981 said:
richhead said:
Its interesting, ive just done a speed test, as im at my g/f house, new build on full fiber, download 60, up 7. shes on a sky 60mb deal.
At my place old copper and a 30mb talk talk deal, i get 30 down and about 15 up, but it always seems , if not faster more responsive somehow.
Maybe i have less devices hogging the bandwith.
And her tv sometimes freezes on netflix etc, but mine never does, her tv is wired to the router, mine uses wifi. so im not sure what difference the speed really makes.
That could be an old or crappy version of the Netflix app on her telly. Or her telly isn't capable of running the app very well.At my place old copper and a 30mb talk talk deal, i get 30 down and about 15 up, but it always seems , if not faster more responsive somehow.
Maybe i have less devices hogging the bandwith.
And her tv sometimes freezes on netflix etc, but mine never does, her tv is wired to the router, mine uses wifi. so im not sure what difference the speed really makes.
Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff