Zoe question

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dba7108

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596 posts

182 months

Friday 29th November 2024
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I'm looking for a zoe for my daughters first car. Can anyone advise what the pricing is. She would do no more than 4000 miles a year. I'm looking at a 2016 /17 year model if this makes any difference.

M4cruiser

4,375 posts

164 months

Friday 29th November 2024
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There are a lot of different answers to that question.
I started looking a Zoes but ended up with a Leaf, because
(1) Zoes have a worse reliability record; &
(2) So many Zoes still have a battery lease (read the advert carefully).

In the Zoe's favour is a proper handbrake and gear selector lever.

Purchase price for a 2016 can be anything, from £1 for a Zoe with a broken air-con up to £7,000+ for a low mileage pristine one with no battery lease. Have a look at Autotrader.

dba7108

Original Poster:

596 posts

182 months

Friday 29th November 2024
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I've just read my question back and it makes zero sense! What i meant was how much is the battery lease prices. I seem to get conflicting prices online.

M4cruiser

4,375 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th November 2024
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dba7108 said:
I've just read my question back and it makes zero sense! What i meant was how much is the battery lease prices. I seem to get conflicting prices online.
Should be £49 per month.
These guys can usually be trusted:

https://www.gogreenautos.co.uk/buyers-guide/batter...

But having said that, the battery lease is a pain. Best buy a Zoe that's had the battery lease bought out. But check the state of health first, by test driving it 10 miles and see if the range goes down by the same amount.
Convert the displayed range into a max for 100% by scaling it up (i.e. if the remaining range is 38 miles and the battery is at 45%, then 38 miles divided by 0.45 gives 84 miles for 100% charge - but it's only very approximate.)

Toaster Pilot

14,732 posts

172 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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Don’t buy a battery lease Zoe. They are a nightmare and a battery owned one doesn’t cost more than it’d cost you to buy out the lease.

Toaster Pilot

14,732 posts

172 months

Sunday 1st December 2024
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M4cruiser said:
But check the state of health first, by test driving it 10 miles and see if the range goes down by the same amount.
Check the state of health by checking the state of health rather than guessing. Any dealer worth their salt should be volunteering this information up front, but if not it can be verified using CanZE or similar.

M4cruiser

4,375 posts

164 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Toaster Pilot said:
M4cruiser said:
But check the state of health first, by test driving it 10 miles and see if the range goes down by the same amount.
Check the state of health by checking the state of health rather than guessing. Any dealer worth their salt should be volunteering this information up front, but if not it can be verified using CanZE or similar.
Yes indeed, if you can plug something in then do it.

ooo000ooo

2,628 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2024
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Toaster Pilot said:
Don’t buy a battery lease Zoe. They are a nightmare and a battery owned one doesn’t cost more than it’d cost you to buy out the lease.
When we were looking to replace the wife's Zoe earlier this year after an accident, I was pricing up equivalent cars for the insurance, battery leased cars were about 1000-1500 cheaper than battery owned, buying the battery lease out was 2000-2500 according to people who had enquired with Renault. Seems Renault have flipped from being glad to see the back of the lease and ending the agreements for peanuts,
There's also a potential issue in what happens if a battery lease car is written off as Renault still own the battery and it's supposed to be returned to them separate from the body, not a big issue if the car is an insurance write off as it's the insurers problem, if it's a mechanical write off there could be a world of pain and expense incurred.

Ste-EVo

163 posts

165 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2024
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Apologies for steering away from the original question, however I would be reluctant to put my daughter in one of these with a zero star Euro NCAP rating...

Edit: I don't meant that so sound ars*y but just highlighting it from a father's perspective in case you were unaware of the NCAP rating.

Edited by Ste-EVo on Tuesday 3rd December 13:38

rscott

16,246 posts

205 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2024
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Ste-EVo said:
Apologies for steering away from the original question, however I would be reluctant to put my daughter in one of these with a zero star Euro NCAP rating...

Edit: I don't meant that so sound ars*y but just highlighting it from a father's perspective in case you were unaware of the NCAP rating.

Edited by Ste-EVo on Tuesday 3rd December 13:38
The OP was looking at a 2016/17 Zoe - that's the same basic car as the one which got 5 stars back in 2013. It was the new model in 2021 which got zero stars, partly because it has very little in the way of active safety features (no lane assist, collision detect,etc0

Ste-EVo

163 posts

165 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2024
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rscott said:
Ste-EVo said:
Apologies for steering away from the original question, however I would be reluctant to put my daughter in one of these with a zero star Euro NCAP rating...

Edit: I don't meant that so sound ars*y but just highlighting it from a father's perspective in case you were unaware of the NCAP rating.

Edited by Ste-EVo on Tuesday 3rd December 13:38
The OP was looking at a 2016/17 Zoe - that's the same basic car as the one which got 5 stars back in 2013. It was the new model in 2021 which got zero stars, partly because it has very little in the way of active safety features (no lane assist, collision detect,etc0
Ah ok, I stand corrected (thank you) - my apologies

M4cruiser

4,375 posts

164 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2024
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rscott said:
Ste-EVo said:
Apologies for steering away from the original question, however I would be reluctant to put my daughter in one of these with a zero star Euro NCAP rating...

Edit: I don't meant that so sound ars*y but just highlighting it from a father's perspective in case you were unaware of the NCAP rating.

Edited by Ste-EVo on Tuesday 3rd December 13:38
The OP was looking at a 2016/17 Zoe - that's the same basic car as the one which got 5 stars back in 2013. It was the new model in 2021 which got zero stars, partly because it has very little in the way of active safety features (no lane assist, collision detect,etc0
This does however raise the issue that the "star" ratings change over time, I mean the standard required to achieve the standard, which makes it impossible to compare across timescales.
A five-star from 2013 would be ok for me, but I'd still like to know how it compares to a 2024 similar model. We can only do that if the stars increase, i.e. they'd be up to 11 stars by now.
The panda famously got 0 stars, despite the earlier similar model doing better. (IIRC)
The Viva got 4, then the newer model was re-tested and got 3. (IIRC)

annodomini2

6,940 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2024
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M4cruiser said:
rscott said:
Ste-EVo said:
Apologies for steering away from the original question, however I would be reluctant to put my daughter in one of these with a zero star Euro NCAP rating...

Edit: I don't meant that so sound ars*y but just highlighting it from a father's perspective in case you were unaware of the NCAP rating.

Edited by Ste-EVo on Tuesday 3rd December 13:38
The OP was looking at a 2016/17 Zoe - that's the same basic car as the one which got 5 stars back in 2013. It was the new model in 2021 which got zero stars, partly because it has very little in the way of active safety features (no lane assist, collision detect,etc0
This does however raise the issue that the "star" ratings change over time, I mean the standard required to achieve the standard, which makes it impossible to compare across timescales.
A five-star from 2013 would be ok for me, but I'd still like to know how it compares to a 2024 similar model. We can only do that if the stars increase, i.e. they'd be up to 11 stars by now.
The panda famously got 0 stars, despite the earlier similar model doing better. (IIRC)
The Viva got 4, then the newer model was re-tested and got 3. (IIRC)
It got zero for 2 reasons:

1. In Europe the collision detection etc stuff wasn't standard on the basic model, it was standard on UK cars. With it they get approximately a 3.
2. They removed the upper side impact airbag.

On the airbag, they claim that from the data they have it wasn't required, but I'll let you make you're own mind up on that one.