License revoked, 20 years after offence
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Friend of my wife was caught speeding at 100mph on motorway 20 years odd ago.
She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
coetzeeh said:
Friend of my wife was caught speeding at 100mph on motorway 20 years odd ago.
She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
I didn't know "additional driver training " was a thing 20 years ago?She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
Maybe contact AGT for some advice?
coetzeeh said:
Friend of my wife was caught speeding at 100mph on motorway 20 years odd ago.
She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
Drivers licences are only valid for 10 years before they have to be renewed.She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
If hers was revoked 20 years ago, how did she renew it?
Shaw Tarse said:
I didn't know "additional driver training " was a thing 20 years ago?
Maybe contact AGT for some advice?
Apparently the rule of 6 point being a licence revocation came in in 1995. I suppose that could be the reason here, didn't realise that has been the case for so long.Maybe contact AGT for some advice?
It's nuts to revoke it after a couple of decades though, that doesn't seem right.
Muzzer79 said:
coetzeeh said:
Friend of my wife was caught speeding at 100mph on motorway 20 years odd ago.
She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
Drivers licences are only valid for 10 years before they have to be renewed.She received £400 fine, and 6 points on license.
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional license until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
If hers was revoked 20 years ago, how did she renew it?
Richard-D said:
Muzzer79 said:
Drivers licences are only valid for 10 years before they have to be renewed.
If hers was revoked 20 years ago, how did she renew it?
I read that slightly differently; offense 20 years ago, licence revoked recently.If hers was revoked 20 years ago, how did she renew it?
coetzeeh said:
Recently she sent license away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her license back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
"Should have" doesn't mean "can do so now" in my book.Her punishment 20 years ago was 6 points and a £400 fine. If they forgot to revoke her licence aswell, that's on them.
In any case, I would argue that, in terms of time, the revocation should have applied from the original offence, rather than being applied now.
But suggest contacting a legal professional, obviously.
coetzeeh said:
Friend of my wife was caught speeding at 100mph on motorway 20 years odd ago.
She received £400 fine, and 6 points on licence.
Recently she sent licence away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her licence back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional licence until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
Date test passed?She received £400 fine, and 6 points on licence.
Recently she sent licence away to DVLA to change from her maiden name to married name - only to be informed that DVLA should have revoked her licence back then until such time she completed additional driving training.
She has now been issued with a Provisional licence until she re takes a driving test - first availability in March. She can no longer do school runs, or get to work as she did.
Is this a thing, are there any cases to argue in mitigation? DVLA apparently dug heels in and said this is a common occurrence.
Date of offence?
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
I past 20yrs ago the 6 point revocation rule was very much in force then.
It's non negotiable. Why did she continue driving? I remember that it was made very clear at the time. Close your eyes and hope get away with it?!!!
I'm now wondering if either:-It's non negotiable. Why did she continue driving? I remember that it was made very clear at the time. Close your eyes and hope get away with it?!!!
1. It has just been revoked, 20+ years after offence
or
2. It was revoked 20 years ago and she has only just realised (or potentially had her head in the sand the entire time). Presumably this would require you to have a paper licence for this scenario. Also, don't you have to send it away when you get points? I don't know, never had points as I can spot yellow boxes on posts.
If you never got stopped would it have come to light any other way?
Edited by Richard-D on Thursday 5th December 16:29
i suspect that this friend of your wife's was a newly qualified driver at the time, and picked up the 6 points within her first two years of driving?
I also suspect that she probably went off to university or lived in London and didn't require a licence so basically gave up driving for a couple of years, without then following the process to retake her test before she re-started driving again,
So somehow she has been able to drive, get insurance ? and not come to the attention of the police since she started driving again ( and you haven't said when that started).
I am not sure she is telling you all you need to know, and possibly as a young person at the time, didn't fully understand the penalty and as she decided she didn't need a car at that time 'forgot about it'
further investigation required.
I also suspect that she probably went off to university or lived in London and didn't require a licence so basically gave up driving for a couple of years, without then following the process to retake her test before she re-started driving again,
So somehow she has been able to drive, get insurance ? and not come to the attention of the police since she started driving again ( and you haven't said when that started).
I am not sure she is telling you all you need to know, and possibly as a young person at the time, didn't fully understand the penalty and as she decided she didn't need a car at that time 'forgot about it'
further investigation required.
Perhaps O/T but my licence got revoked in error and they didn't tell me. It was gone for 5 years or more^ before I spotted it purely by chance when I checked my licence online. I then applied for a new licence which was £50 at the time. They never cashed it and sent me a cheque for £50. Never apologized though!
^interestingly I was not once stopped by the rozzers or flagged by ANPR during that period
TX.
^interestingly I was not once stopped by the rozzers or flagged by ANPR during that period
TX.
Terminator X said:
Perhaps O/T but my licence got revoked in error and they didn't tell me. It was gone for 5 years or more^ before I spotted it purely by chance when I checked my licence online. I then applied for a new licence which was £50 at the time. They never cashed it and sent me a cheque for £50. Never apologized though!
^interestingly I was not once stopped by the rozzers or flagged by ANPR during that period
TX.
I think that you're safe from ANPR stops until they add the facial recognition feature to the cameras. ^interestingly I was not once stopped by the rozzers or flagged by ANPR during that period
TX.
Thanks for all the replies.
I am guessing the offence would have occurred about 5 years after she passed her drivers license.
At the time of the offence her license was not revoked, just the fine and the points.
She has now been informed it was an error at the time by the DVLA not to "revoke" her license (or as I have it, additional training - I am speaking under correction).
Due to the error, the revocation is now being applied retrospectively.
Like with all (most) of us, with age comes a bit of sense and responsibility - she's of good character and hard working mother of 2. Came as a bolt out of the blue.
I am guessing the offence would have occurred about 5 years after she passed her drivers license.
At the time of the offence her license was not revoked, just the fine and the points.
She has now been informed it was an error at the time by the DVLA not to "revoke" her license (or as I have it, additional training - I am speaking under correction).
Due to the error, the revocation is now being applied retrospectively.
Like with all (most) of us, with age comes a bit of sense and responsibility - she's of good character and hard working mother of 2. Came as a bolt out of the blue.
98elise said:
Possibly the old paper licences which didn't expire. I'm still on my first picture one because I wouldn't move to a picture one when it also needed a paper part. There was simply no benefit.
I've still got my paper licence, haven't changed address since issued so never needed to change, don't need a picture licence/ID and don't want the bother/expense of renewals.
Valid until 70th Birthday.
catso said:
I've still got my paper licence, haven't changed address since issued so never needed to change, don't need a picture licence/ID and don't want the bother/expense of renewals.
Valid until 70th Birthday.
In fairness this was the chap in the kiosk at the compound exit, not the hire desk, but it could have been a huge PITA. As it was I happened to have an international drivers permit, which has a photo stapled to it, and he was happy with that.
coetzeeh said:
Thanks for all the replies.
I am guessing the offence would have occurred about 5 years after she passed her drivers license.
At the time of the offence her license was not revoked, just the fine and the points.
She has now been informed it was an error at the time by the DVLA not to "revoke" her license (or as I have it, additional training - I am speaking under correction).
Due to the error, the revocation is now being applied retrospectively.
Like with all (most) of us, with age comes a bit of sense and responsibility - she's of good character and hard working mother of 2. Came as a bolt out of the blue.
On what basis should the licence be revoked? There's something not ringing true about the narrative.I am guessing the offence would have occurred about 5 years after she passed her drivers license.
At the time of the offence her license was not revoked, just the fine and the points.
She has now been informed it was an error at the time by the DVLA not to "revoke" her license (or as I have it, additional training - I am speaking under correction).
Due to the error, the revocation is now being applied retrospectively.
Like with all (most) of us, with age comes a bit of sense and responsibility - she's of good character and hard working mother of 2. Came as a bolt out of the blue.
BertBert said:
coetzeeh said:
Thanks for all the replies.
I am guessing the offence would have occurred about 5 years after she passed her drivers license.
At the time of the offence her license was not revoked, just the fine and the points.
She has now been informed it was an error at the time by the DVLA not to "revoke" her license (or as I have it, additional training - I am speaking under correction).
Due to the error, the revocation is now being applied retrospectively.
Like with all (most) of us, with age comes a bit of sense and responsibility - she's of good character and hard working mother of 2. Came as a bolt out of the blue.
On what basis should the licence be revoked? There's something not ringing true about the narrative.I am guessing the offence would have occurred about 5 years after she passed her drivers license.
At the time of the offence her license was not revoked, just the fine and the points.
She has now been informed it was an error at the time by the DVLA not to "revoke" her license (or as I have it, additional training - I am speaking under correction).
Due to the error, the revocation is now being applied retrospectively.
Like with all (most) of us, with age comes a bit of sense and responsibility - she's of good character and hard working mother of 2. Came as a bolt out of the blue.
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