Battery disconnection

Battery disconnection

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kitcat7

Original Poster:

156 posts

259 months

Sunday 8th December 2024
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Forgive me if I have asked this before, does anyone know if the battery can be completely disconnected without damage to any of the systems or ECU? As the systems all depend so much on power, even when parked up, the battery needs trickle charging when stored for more than a few days, so disconnecting with a battery disconnection switch, would seem to be a good answer.

Has anyone done this? If so what are the downsides?

neon_fox

409 posts

298 months

Sunday 8th December 2024
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kitcat7 said:
As the systems all depend so much on power, even when parked up, the battery needs trickle charging when stored for more than a few days
A few days? I've left mine parked in the garage for more than 3 weeks and it has started on the button.

Spokeyblokey

76 posts

26 months

Sunday 8th December 2024
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Replaced my lead acid EOM battery with a LiFePo battery about a year ago. Totally disconnected for perhaps 15 mins during the exercise. No problems when re-connected.

Also, have SORN'd my car for 3-4 months over the winter and never needed to put it on a trickle charger (although I've had one available). Both lead acid and LiFePo batteries left for up to 4 weeks unused on occasion, but connected, and always started first time. No problem.

I tend to run the car for 15-20 minutes every 2-3 weeks when SORN'd over the winter to check that everything is okay but also have a SoC monitor attached which I can check via a bluetooth connected app. LiFePo battery has been faultless in 12 months to date.

If you can't leave the car for more than a few days without the battery being a problem, may be worth getting it looked at?

kitcat7

Original Poster:

156 posts

259 months

Sunday 8th December 2024
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No, it will certainly last for 2-3 weeks, but I know it is good practice to put it onto a Ctek or similar after that length of time, by disconnecting completely, there will be absolutely no battery drain (or alarm system in use) and whilst all batteries will degrade over time, they should not lose much power over several months when disconnected.

k_m

164 posts

16 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Put my Alpine in winter storage 3 weeks ago. Yesterday I connected the trickle charger for the 1st time and the remaining battery power has already dropped down to 12.1 V. That is enough to start the engine, but it is too low to ensure a healthy battery. Below 12.4 V a lead battery builds sulfation, what leads to premature wear. Long story short, it is necessary to put it on a trickle charger at least every 2 weeks.
To get back to the initial question. With a modern car you can catch a lot of gremlins when the battery is disconnected for a couple of days. The A110 sits somewhere in between, as it doesn't have the typical gimmicks of a modern car. The ECU would be my most concern.

kitcat7

Original Poster:

156 posts

259 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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I guess I will just have to give it a try and if it doesn't start again, I'll know it won't work and will report back here.

Miserablegit

4,275 posts

123 months

Tuesday 10th December 2024
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There shouldn’t be a problem. I’ve disconnected my battery a few times with no issue.

Whaleblue

401 posts

102 months

Tuesday 10th December 2024
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If you use the keyless mechanism to lock it the battery will drain relatively quickly. I use the key remote button, and have never had a flat battery, even after 5-6 weeks.

neon_fox

409 posts

298 months

Wednesday 11th December 2024
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Whaleblue said:
If you use the keyless mechanism to lock it the battery will drain relatively quickly. I use the key remote button, and have never had a flat battery, even after 5-6 weeks.
Do you mean you use the button on the key, or the button on the door to lock the car?

Whaleblue

401 posts

102 months

Wednesday 11th December 2024
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The button on the remote.

The car then won’t respond to touching the door handle.

I’m guessing that not having to keep those door sensors active is the reason the battery doesn’t drain as quickly.

k_m

164 posts

16 months

Wednesday 11th December 2024
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The door handle sensor will deactivate itself after 4 days, so that is not a big issue. The main problem is the Alpines poor battery charging management plus the steady large consumption of the engine bay fans. The battery is never fully loaded, even after a longer ride.

Liam22

142 posts

120 months

Thursday 12th December 2024
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Lithium battery and deleting the battery condition monitor has stopped me worrying about this altogether.

Battery is fully charged in minutes after starting. After a journey, after 10 minutes of the fans running, it has ~85% charge which is ideal for long term health. Parasitic loss is ~1% per day.

neon_fox

409 posts

298 months

Thursday 12th December 2024
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I was told by Tim that using the door handle button used less charge than using the remote.
Whether true or not, that's what I've been doing and have left it for weeks without issue starting again.

k_m

164 posts

16 months

Friday 13th December 2024
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@Liam22:

No fault codes when disconnecting the battery condition monitor plug?

Liam22

142 posts

120 months

Saturday 14th December 2024
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k_m said:
No fault codes when disconnecting the battery condition monitor plug?
Stop/start is permanently off (yay!) and you need to acknowledge that with a left-stalk-button-press every time.
But no fault codes or warning lights or anything that would trouble an MoT test.