Police car reg alert question
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Long story short
Nov 23
Friend got pulled over and accused of going through red light
He disputed it was not red
Letter came through, he chose to go to court
Finally went to court Nov 24
Prior to court his solicitor had requested police body footage, cctv, police car footage, camera light cctv, etc all which has ‘gone missing’
Police statements all refer to having recordings of incident
2 court dates set and police unable to attend
Finally day of court - judge throws it out and rules in his favour (he was advised it would be 50/50 despite police handling of case so far).
Since court decision, he has been pulled over 4 times! All for trivial checks.
3 under excuse of drunk driving checks, 1 under excuse of erratic driving.
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
Nov 23
Friend got pulled over and accused of going through red light
He disputed it was not red
Letter came through, he chose to go to court
Finally went to court Nov 24
Prior to court his solicitor had requested police body footage, cctv, police car footage, camera light cctv, etc all which has ‘gone missing’
Police statements all refer to having recordings of incident
2 court dates set and police unable to attend
Finally day of court - judge throws it out and rules in his favour (he was advised it would be 50/50 despite police handling of case so far).
Since court decision, he has been pulled over 4 times! All for trivial checks.
3 under excuse of drunk driving checks, 1 under excuse of erratic driving.
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
I once bought a Civic which saw me go from having never been stopped to being stopped every few days. When I finally got an answer from a Sergeant as to why this was it turned out there was a "marker" against the VRM for sale of drugs.
I asked him to look into when and why it had been tagged and to see about removal. Never heard back from him but the continual stops ceased.
Was a hassle to get to that point though as the officers who stopped me always stuck to the line about it being random rather than targeted.
I asked him to look into when and why it had been tagged and to see about removal. Never heard back from him but the continual stops ceased.
Was a hassle to get to that point though as the officers who stopped me always stuck to the line about it being random rather than targeted.
ACCYSTAN said:
Long story short
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
Highly unlikely that the Officers would have received any sort of disciplinary for the case being thrown out, my experience of the courts is that cases are dismissed fairly regularly for a variety of reasons and in addition Officers don't choose to just not turn up, there is usually a fall down between the Courts system, witness care who issue court warnings and the Police duties teams who ensure the Officers are warned for court.Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
It is possible that some form of ANPR marker is against the vehicle being stopped, an FOI request may divulge what the marker states.
A complaint may get the marker removed if the person involved can give the dates of the stop and the fact it resulted in no action being taken, if there is actually a marker in place, it may at least be reviewed.
'IF' the Officers just didn't turn up, then they would have got a telling off.
Going to court is part of the duty, you can't just choose not to attend. It's more likely that the Officers weren't notified.
This might be surprising, but everything is logged in the police. You can't (lawfully) access ANPR unless you've had the training.
Yes, a marker "could" have been placed on your friends car, but it won't say "harass this driver because he got away with it", it would be evidence led information that they are a regular drink driver etc.
Who placed this marker, why it was placed and who has seen it will be recorded.
Random checks are conducted on who and why information is being accessed.
If your friend keeps getting stopped on suspicion of drink driving, tell them to stop drink driving
Going to court is part of the duty, you can't just choose not to attend. It's more likely that the Officers weren't notified.
This might be surprising, but everything is logged in the police. You can't (lawfully) access ANPR unless you've had the training.
Yes, a marker "could" have been placed on your friends car, but it won't say "harass this driver because he got away with it", it would be evidence led information that they are a regular drink driver etc.
Who placed this marker, why it was placed and who has seen it will be recorded.
Random checks are conducted on who and why information is being accessed.
If your friend keeps getting stopped on suspicion of drink driving, tell them to stop drink driving
ACCYSTAN said:
Since court decision, he has been pulled over 4 times! All for trivial checks.
3 under excuse of drunk driving checks, 1 under excuse of erratic driving.
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
LOL. 3 under excuse of drunk driving checks, 1 under excuse of erratic driving.
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
You wouldn't get in trouble for losing a case. If they just didn't turn up when warned then yes, but if not warned (it happens, I booked some leave and two months later got my court warning...I should have been warned before I booked my leave but wasn't. I won't be turning up (unless I get my day back and double time...). If the CPS withdrew it on the day that won't have any come back. I've had this a few times. It's annoying but one of those things.
There won't be a marker because he get away with it at court.
Are you sure your friend is actually a police officer?!
LosingGrip said:
ACCYSTAN said:
Since court decision, he has been pulled over 4 times! All for trivial checks.
3 under excuse of drunk driving checks, 1 under excuse of erratic driving.
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
LOL. 3 under excuse of drunk driving checks, 1 under excuse of erratic driving.
Do the police have an ability to add a comment on ANPR to pull and harass him?
A friend who is a copper but not traffic police told him the 2 officers will have been disciplined for messing the case up and won’t be happy.
He suggested either get a private plate or sell car
What sort of thing could they put against his reg? An alert?
Can he get it taken off or do a freedom of information request to see what’s been put on and whom by?
If he’s stopped again is it worth going down complaints route of harassment?
He doesn’t want to spend anymore in legal fees if it can be helped
You wouldn't get in trouble for losing a case. If they just didn't turn up when warned then yes, but if not warned (it happens, I booked some leave and two months later got my court warning...I should have been warned before I booked my leave but wasn't. I won't be turning up (unless I get my day back and double time...). If the CPS withdrew it on the day that won't have any come back. I've had this a few times. It's annoying but one of those things.
There won't be a marker because he get away with it at court.
Are you sure your friend is actually a police officer?!
BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
If your friend keeps getting stopped on suspicion of drink driving, tell them to stop drink driving
what?The police only have to get lucky once.
Nibbles_bits said:
BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
If your friend keeps getting stopped on suspicion of drink driving, tell them to stop drink driving
what?Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
If your friend keeps getting stopped on suspicion of drink driving, tell them to stop drink driving
what?Hi,
Thank you for the replies
Well he is not a drink driver, mainly as he hasn’t never had a drink he was a YTS at a championship football club but didn’t quite make it as a pro footballer and he never drank, infact he’s quite anti alcohol.
Could it be the coppers involved have got someone to report him as drunk driving to get a marker on his car and they are using this as an excuse to stop him?
4 times in 6 weeks is excessive, I think I have been randomly stopped once in the past 5 years.
Of course, he could be incredibly unlucky but that is some coincidence to get 4 stops.
For what it’s worth, my advice was to see if they pull you for a 5th time then complain to the relevant body (IOPC or super intendant of the local force?) and provide a clear detailed history of all the stops, the times, locations, officers involved, etc. He has kept full details of all the stops except for the first one which he didn’t get the officers details as he thought it was a genuine one off random drink driver check.
Thank you for the replies
Well he is not a drink driver, mainly as he hasn’t never had a drink he was a YTS at a championship football club but didn’t quite make it as a pro footballer and he never drank, infact he’s quite anti alcohol.
Could it be the coppers involved have got someone to report him as drunk driving to get a marker on his car and they are using this as an excuse to stop him?
4 times in 6 weeks is excessive, I think I have been randomly stopped once in the past 5 years.
Of course, he could be incredibly unlucky but that is some coincidence to get 4 stops.
For what it’s worth, my advice was to see if they pull you for a 5th time then complain to the relevant body (IOPC or super intendant of the local force?) and provide a clear detailed history of all the stops, the times, locations, officers involved, etc. He has kept full details of all the stops except for the first one which he didn’t get the officers details as he thought it was a genuine one off random drink driver check.
t about your mate, let alone involved others to create some kind of vendetta against him. But why?
Do you and your friend really think that the Officers, who likely weren't called to court, are that bothered about the court result?
If your friend is really that concerned, get them to do a SAR.
A 'random drink drive check' isn't a thing. You have to be suspected of committing a moving vehicle offence or be suspected of having consumed alcohol.
As pointed out above, do you think these officers (presumably not the same 2 every time) are going to risk everything over someone failing to stop at a red light??
Also - the 6 weeks have been over the Xmas period, when police are on the lookout for drunk/crap drivers.
Do you and your friend really think that the Officers, who likely weren't called to court, are that bothered about the court result?
If your friend is really that concerned, get them to do a SAR.
A 'random drink drive check' isn't a thing. You have to be suspected of committing a moving vehicle offence or be suspected of having consumed alcohol.
As pointed out above, do you think these officers (presumably not the same 2 every time) are going to risk everything over someone failing to stop at a red light??
Also - the 6 weeks have been over the Xmas period, when police are on the lookout for drunk/crap drivers.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Friday 3rd January 21:37
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Friday 3rd January 21:39
Hi,
Thank you for the replies
First of all - it’s not me, it’s a friend who has shared all this on a WhatsApp group and at a catch up over Christmas, it’s clearly affected him as he is now paranoid about driving when he sees a cop car
Second of all - of course he’s not special neither is his car (18 plate Audi A4) but to be randomly stopped 4 times in a short period is highly unlikely to be bad luck.
I was simply asking if they can place a alert or marker on his car reg which seems to be yes, he either needs to find out if that’s happened and what it is which IMO is a big rabbit hole that will make him more paranoid or sell his motor and forget the whole thing.
My advice was to see if he get’s stopped again, I might change that to sell the car and forget about the whole thing.
Thank you for the replies
First of all - it’s not me, it’s a friend who has shared all this on a WhatsApp group and at a catch up over Christmas, it’s clearly affected him as he is now paranoid about driving when he sees a cop car
Second of all - of course he’s not special neither is his car (18 plate Audi A4) but to be randomly stopped 4 times in a short period is highly unlikely to be bad luck.
I was simply asking if they can place a alert or marker on his car reg which seems to be yes, he either needs to find out if that’s happened and what it is which IMO is a big rabbit hole that will make him more paranoid or sell his motor and forget the whole thing.
My advice was to see if he get’s stopped again, I might change that to sell the car and forget about the whole thing.
ACCYSTAN said:
Hi,
Thank you for the replies
First of all - it’s not me, it’s a friend who has shared all this on a WhatsApp group and at a catch up over Christmas, it’s clearly affected him as he is now paranoid about driving when he sees a cop car
Second of all - of course he’s not special neither is his car (18 plate Audi A4) but to be randomly stopped 4 times in a short period is highly unlikely to be bad luck.
I was simply asking if they can place a alert or marker on his car reg which seems to be yes, he either needs to find out if that’s happened and what it is which IMO is a big rabbit hole that will make him more paranoid or sell his motor and forget the whole thing.
My advice was to see if he get’s stopped again, I might change that to sell the car and forget about the whole thing.
Could always just buy a private plate from the DVLA for £250Thank you for the replies
First of all - it’s not me, it’s a friend who has shared all this on a WhatsApp group and at a catch up over Christmas, it’s clearly affected him as he is now paranoid about driving when he sees a cop car
Second of all - of course he’s not special neither is his car (18 plate Audi A4) but to be randomly stopped 4 times in a short period is highly unlikely to be bad luck.
I was simply asking if they can place a alert or marker on his car reg which seems to be yes, he either needs to find out if that’s happened and what it is which IMO is a big rabbit hole that will make him more paranoid or sell his motor and forget the whole thing.
My advice was to see if he get’s stopped again, I might change that to sell the car and forget about the whole thing.
ACCYSTAN said:
Hi,
Thank you for the replies
First of all - it’s not me, it’s a friend who has shared all this on a WhatsApp group and at a catch up over Christmas, it’s clearly affected him as he is now paranoid about driving when he sees a cop car
Second of all - of course he’s not special neither is his car (18 plate Audi A4) but to be randomly stopped 4 times in a short period is highly unlikely to be bad luck.
I was simply asking if they can place a alert or marker on his car reg which seems to be yes, he either needs to find out if that’s happened and what it is which IMO is a big rabbit hole that will make him more paranoid or sell his motor and forget the whole thing.
My advice was to see if he get’s stopped again, I might change that to sell the car and forget about the whole thing.
No, a marker wouldn't have been put on the car by the cops for a motoring offence that was discontinued at court. Thank you for the replies
First of all - it’s not me, it’s a friend who has shared all this on a WhatsApp group and at a catch up over Christmas, it’s clearly affected him as he is now paranoid about driving when he sees a cop car
Second of all - of course he’s not special neither is his car (18 plate Audi A4) but to be randomly stopped 4 times in a short period is highly unlikely to be bad luck.
I was simply asking if they can place a alert or marker on his car reg which seems to be yes, he either needs to find out if that’s happened and what it is which IMO is a big rabbit hole that will make him more paranoid or sell his motor and forget the whole thing.
My advice was to see if he get’s stopped again, I might change that to sell the car and forget about the whole thing.
Either there's something about your mates driving or he's very unlucky.
Recently cost me £280 for a cheap plate that wasn't totally crap, this is option 1
Second option is to clarify where and at what time he was driving??
Also, I guess we'll never know whether or not he did go through the red light, or even what his style of driving is like.
Have you considered OP, that he might have tore through the light and could potentially be driving his Audi like a dick head, that might explain why all this random trouble is befalling him?
Occam's razor is equally as valid as other options!
Second option is to clarify where and at what time he was driving??
Also, I guess we'll never know whether or not he did go through the red light, or even what his style of driving is like.
Have you considered OP, that he might have tore through the light and could potentially be driving his Audi like a dick head, that might explain why all this random trouble is befalling him?
Occam's razor is equally as valid as other options!
Hi,
It was a full trial and he got found not guilty
He wouldn’t say how much but he spent money on legal representation which helped but cost a pretty penny.
He was insistent he didn’t go through a red light, and was angry he had been wrongly accused.
It was a principle thing, he did nothing wrong why should he be wrongly charged.
It was a full trial and he got found not guilty
He wouldn’t say how much but he spent money on legal representation which helped but cost a pretty penny.
He was insistent he didn’t go through a red light, and was angry he had been wrongly accused.
It was a principle thing, he did nothing wrong why should he be wrongly charged.
Could there be a marker on the car = yes
Would that marker be because of an alleged RTL = no
Would that marker be because he was found not guilty at court = no
Would that marker be placed so that he will be harassed by random police officers = no
Could your friend have been randomly stopped this many times = yes
Could your friend's driving be the cause of this many stops = yes.
Would that marker be because of an alleged RTL = no
Would that marker be because he was found not guilty at court = no
Would that marker be placed so that he will be harassed by random police officers = no
Could your friend have been randomly stopped this many times = yes
Could your friend's driving be the cause of this many stops = yes.
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