Speeding NIP - "time into red light 0" but no traffic lights

[MrCheese]

I got a NIP for 36 in a 30, feet from a change to a 40 zone.

The NIP says " recorded speed 36, time into red light 0"

This looks like a jumping red light offence but there aren't any traffic lights near the site.

Am I understanding this properly?

[agtlaw]

‘Speed on green’ camera.

It’s a speeding offence.

[Simpo Two]

What does 'time into red light 0' mean? That he was over the speed limit for 0 seconds?

[cuprabob]

Simpo Two said:

What does 'time into red light 0' mean? That he was over the speed limit for 0 seconds?

I take it to mean that it's a combined speed and red light camera and that the zero indicates there is no time lapsed between the red light and the car being detected therefore the light was amber / green. If there was a figure quoted it would give an indication by how much the red light was jumped by.

This is just my assumption, I'm sure agtlaw will clarify.

[2020vision]

MrCheese said:

I got a NIP for 36 in a 30, feet from a change to a 40 zone.

The NIP says " recorded speed 36, time into red light 0"

This looks like a jumping red light offence but there aren't any traffic lights near the site.

Am I understanding this properly?

No you appear not to be understanding it properly.

It is a speeding offence.

The traffic light reference is not relevant.

Hope that helps.

[Sebring440]

2020vision said:

No you appear not to be understanding it properly.

It is a speeding offence.

The traffic light reference is not relevant.

Hope that helps.

No need to post that.

The question was answered in post #2.

[VSKeith]

2020vision said:

No you appear not to be understanding it properly.

It is a speeding offence.

The traffic light reference is not relevant.

Hope that helps.

I think the traffic light reference is relevant, as AGT explained it was a traffic light camera but the OP thinks it happened nowhere near a traffic light

[martinbiz]

VSKeith said:

2020vision said:

No you appear not to be understanding it properly.

It is a speeding offence.

The traffic light reference is not relevant.

Hope that helps.

I think the traffic light reference is relevant, as AGT explained it was a traffic light camera but the OP thinks it happened nowhere near a traffic light

No he didn't say it's a traffic light camera, it's a Speed on green camera, relatively new which can be used at traffic signals to detect both speeding and red light offences or can be used solely as a speed camera. One camera that can do 2 jobs rather than having 2 different camera types. The OP was obviously pinged at a speed only site hence the Zero time into red reference

[E-bmw]

MrCheese said:

I got a NIP for 36 in a 30, feet from a change to a 40 zone.

I assume you do know that the distance to the speed limit change is of zero relevance?

The speed limit changes at the sign not before.

[cliffords]

My son got caught on one . It's a speed camera at some traffic lights.
It can record if you passed a red light , and the time elapsed since it turned red. It also records your speed.

He got recorded for both offences simultaneously .

[Riley Blue]

MrCheese said:

I got a NIP for 36 in a 30, feet from a change to a 40 zone.

The NIP says " recorded speed 36, time into red light 0"

This looks like a jumping red light offence but there aren't any traffic lights near the site.

Am I understanding this properly?

Purely a guess but if you'd been within the speed limit but jumped a red traffic light the same form may have been used but completed accordingly.

[Biker 1]

If you know the location of the offence, then you should be able to figure out if there's a red light camera &/or speed camera: https://www.scdb.info/en/karte/

[BertBert]

MrCheese said:

I got a NIP for 36 in a 30, feet from a change to a 40 zone.
This looks like a jumping red light offence but there aren't any traffic lights near the site.

[2020vision]

Sebring440 said:

No need to post that.

The question was answered in post #2.

Who made you the Pistonheads Police?

[Teppic]

BertBert said:

MrCheese said:

I got a NIP for 36 in a 30, feet from a change to a 40 zone.
This looks like a jumping red light offence but there aren't any traffic lights near the site.

Which is why it says "time into red light 0" - the time is 0 beause there are no lights.

[MrCheese]

Thanks for all the replies. Just for complete information:

I saw the "officer" with the speed gun as it happened, it was a handheld device pointing at me. He was standing in a side road to an empty rural dual carriageway.

The site is completely without traffic lights.

I was accelerating into a 40 zone and was zapped yards from the change, so I admit I was doing 36 in a 30.

I'm very uncomfortable accepting any admission of "red light" anything as I don't want it on my record that I have admitted to anything involving breaking a traffic light when I 100% know that isn't the case.

[ScoobyChris]

MrCheese] said:

I'm very uncomfortable accepting any admission of "red light" anything as I don't want it on my record that I have admitted to anything involving breaking a traffic light when I 100% know that isn't the case.

But on your "record" it will just have an SP30 (?) code won't it?

Chris

Edited by ScoobyChris on Friday 10th January 16:33

[BertBert]

MrCheese said:

I'm very uncomfortable accepting any admission of "red light" anything as I don't want it on my record that I have admitted to anything involving breaking a traffic light when I 100% know that isn't the case.

Ypu've not read the answers to your question then.

[MrCheese]

ScoobyChris said:

MrCheese] said:

I'm very uncomfortable accepting any admission of "red light" anything as I don't want it on my record that I have admitted to anything involving breaking a traffic light when I 100% know that isn't the case.

But on your "record" it will just have an SP30 (?) code won't it?

Chris

Edited by ScoobyChris on Friday 10th January 16:33

Yes I'm sure that's probably the case but I don't see why there should be any reference at all to a red light. If they are using some specific camera they should say that explicitly. I'm being prosecuted so I think I have a right to have it presented to me in a correct, clear way. It isn't.

[E-bmw]

But, you are not in a red light hence there being zero, it is a standard matrix on the camera which can be for multiple uses.

Just the same as a couple of motorway pics on here recently where there is a box for "Red X in lane" which is left blank.

Your NIP will just mention your speed, so your NIP is just for speed.