Emergency Vehicles on the wrong side of the road

Emergency Vehicles on the wrong side of the road

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Alltrack

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230 posts

95 months

Tuesday 21st January
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There's roadworks near where I live (a new cycling lane) which has narrowed the road considerably and has caused considerable queuing.

There's traffic lights controlling the entrance to this road from my road.

I turned left tonight onto the road and and after a about a hundred yards a police car with blue lights emerged from the traffic queue
and came towards me. I managed to mount the kerb and let him through. Fifty yards earlier I couldn't have done this as there were railings on the kerb.
The traffic queue was solid on the other side of the road.

There was a similar incident on this stretch a few weeks ago when a fire engine came through on the wrong side and nearly hit a car turning left.

What's the convention/accepted practise in these situations - I thought it was up to the emergency services to anticipate situations like this?

Because of the nature of the junction you can't see anything in the roadworks until you actually turn onto the road.


CHLEMCBC

716 posts

31 months

Tuesday 21st January
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Would you ask the same if it was your house on fire or your mum being beaten up and robbed?

Super Sonic

9,442 posts

68 months

Tuesday 21st January
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CHLEMCBC said:
Would you ask the same if it was your house on fire or your mum being beaten up and robbed?
aiui
He's asking what is the best thing to do ie to let the emergency vehicle get through.

Tony1963

5,661 posts

176 months

Tuesday 21st January
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You have to make it up if and when it occurs, unfortunately. There are far too many permutations of traffic/road/speeds to be able to say with absolute certainty what you should do. Just don’t panic, be prepared to reverse.

Rick101

7,065 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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It's for them to get around you. They are the emergency driver. If you're already 100 yards in and they've pulled out they must have a plan on how to proceed.
Forget all the emotional bullying about what if it was your granny, utter nonsense. Follow the highway code and protect yourself.

I've seen more issues with people getting excited and wanting to be involved bouncing up the kerb to 'help' whilst nearly knocking down pedestrians or cyclists and being zero help whatsoever.

2020vision

470 posts

10 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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You seemed to do the right thing in the circumstances “… mount the kerb and let him through...”

The emergency services driver probably estimated that would be the action you were persuaded to take.

If you were adjacent to the fencing the driver may have spotted that and awaited you to pass them and “… mount the kerb and let him through...”

Happy days.

HantsRat

2,396 posts

122 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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There is no wrong side of the road. They were using the offside line to face oncoming traffic to respond to an emergency call and are trained for this. The training is be be dominant, be clear on your intentions and await for a reaction for other drivers before proceeding. If you had no where to do, they would work it out.

Also there is no expectation for you to mount a full kerb however a blocked kerb by all means drive onto to allow to pass.

Batfoy

1,173 posts

20 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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CHLEMCBC said:
Would you ask the same if it was your house on fire or your mum being beaten up and robbed?
rolleyes

heebeegeetee

29,483 posts

262 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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It's worth remembering that when turning left, there is a need to look right and left before emerging. Might not have helped the OP but the incident with the fire engine sounds like a classic case of 'look right only'.

Evanivitch

23,944 posts

136 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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HantsRat said:
Also there is no expectation for you to mount a full kerb however a blocked kerb by all means drive onto to allow to pass.
Yep, you don't jump a red light or drive up a full kerb unless directed by the police.

Alltrack

Original Poster:

230 posts

95 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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heebeegeetee said:
It's worth remembering that when turning left, there is a need to look right and left before emerging. Might not have helped the OP but the incident with the fire engine sounds like a classic case of 'look right only'.
At this particular junction, you can't see anything in the left hand lane due to trees. It's always been a nightmare junction and will be made worse by all the cycle lanes now being added. I was behind the car that nearly collided with the fire engine and I only heard it at the last second. Perhaps the trees were masking the sound?

Hungrymc

6,993 posts

151 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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CHLEMCBC said:
Would you ask the same if it was your house on fire or your mum being beaten up and robbed?
I had a nasty accident about 25 years ago when a fire engine was overtaking round a bend and hit me head on (on a motorcycle).

Pica-Pica

15,150 posts

98 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Another repetitious PH topic.
Stop in a safe spot, do not mount the kerb, go through red lights, or similar actions. The emergency vehicle driver has to get round you, not force you to make compromising moves.

budgie smuggler

5,707 posts

173 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Hungrymc said:
I had a nasty accident about 25 years ago when a fire engine was overtaking round a bend and hit me head on (on a motorcycle).
Yes but what if that fire engine had been on the way to put out your mum who had been set on fire while being robbed?

(*hope you are fully recovered/weren't badly hurt!)

GasEngineer

1,425 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Pica-Pica said:
The emergency vehicle driver has to get round you, not force you to make compromising moves.
That's pretty much what the OP was saying...

Batfoy

1,173 posts

20 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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budgie smuggler said:
Hungrymc said:
I had a nasty accident about 25 years ago when a fire engine was overtaking round a bend and hit me head on (on a motorcycle).
Yes but what if that fire engine had been on the way to put out your mum who had been set on fire while being robbed?
What if his mum had actually robbed the fire engine whilst punching herself repeatedly in the face? Didn't think of that, did you. Pfft, amateur.

Greendubber

14,204 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Try and get to a safe place, if you can't let them work it out around you.

With everywhere dug up at the moment this is something I encounter a lot. The police driver may have been able to see where you were in the roadworks so was either anticipating you hopping up out of the way or they may have planned to do that to let you by then continue through.

It's our job to get around you at the end of the day, I don't want anyone smashing their car, getting tickets due to me. Any assistance will be acknowledged with a little thumbs up/wave/toot on the bull horn.


whimsical ninja

220 posts

41 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Don't feel obliged to mount the kerb - nobody will have any sympathy if you damage your tyres/undercarriage. That said, the gesture is always appreciated.

It's a bit different to diving into a bus lane, where you won't be inconveniencing anyone and the chances of getting a ticket are miniscule. It's also different to going through a red light, which you should only do if your situational awareness is good enough to understand the risks exactly where you are. Mounting a kerb - assuming there are no pedestrians etc - is only a risk to your own car. So it's entirely up to you.

Sounds like the driver may have come forward without properly seeing if there was a route through; it happens.