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I had one 2020 one for 3 years. Was a good car.
Boot was a bit small as the battery took up space.
Also because of the battery the fuel tank was really small. Would only do 250-300 miles to a tank. Really annoying having to fill up twice a week.
Other than that it was a competent car and leagues ahead of the F chassis bmw 3 series.
Boot was a bit small as the battery took up space.
Also because of the battery the fuel tank was really small. Would only do 250-300 miles to a tank. Really annoying having to fill up twice a week.
Other than that it was a competent car and leagues ahead of the F chassis bmw 3 series.
I haven't driven one so perhaps one of the other posters can clarify but the EV motors seem to be rated at only 111bhp - that doesn't seem much to drag a fairly heavy car around so I'm guessing it must be pretty slow as an EV?
Our Across (Rav4 PHEV clone) has 240 bhp from the electric motors which is plenty but I can't imagine less than half the power being satisfactory at all apart from maybe trundling around town or in traffic.
Our Across (Rav4 PHEV clone) has 240 bhp from the electric motors which is plenty but I can't imagine less than half the power being satisfactory at all apart from maybe trundling around town or in traffic.
sam.rog said:
I had one 2020 one for 3 years. Was a good car.
Boot was a bit small as the battery took up space.
Also because of the battery the fuel tank was really small. Would only do 250-300 miles to a tank. Really annoying having to fill up twice a week.
Other than that it was a competent car and leagues ahead of the F chassis bmw 3 series.
300 miles to a tank! I was looking at a 330e instead of a 320d but if that’s the case I’ll stick to the oil burner!Boot was a bit small as the battery took up space.
Also because of the battery the fuel tank was really small. Would only do 250-300 miles to a tank. Really annoying having to fill up twice a week.
Other than that it was a competent car and leagues ahead of the F chassis bmw 3 series.
Snow and Rocks said:
I haven't driven one so perhaps one of the other posters can clarify but the EV motors seem to be rated at only 111bhp - that doesn't seem much to drag a fairly heavy car around so I'm guessing it must be pretty slow as an EV?
Our Across (Rav4 PHEV clone) has 240 bhp from the electric motors which is plenty but I can't imagine less than half the power being satisfactory at all apart from maybe trundling around town or in traffic.
It also has an engine. Our Across (Rav4 PHEV clone) has 240 bhp from the electric motors which is plenty but I can't imagine less than half the power being satisfactory at all apart from maybe trundling around town or in traffic.
Combined output is a shade under 300hp. Its quick enough.
RammyMP said:
300 miles to a tank! I was looking at a 330e instead of a 320d but if that’s the case I’ll stick to the oil burner!
When fully charged and on a run it would do close to 400 but average was 300 miles during my ownership of 3 years and 60k miles. The battery range was 15-20 miles. It always keeps some in reserve to use for starting off and to use if you put your foot down. So ignore the people who say when the battery is depleted your carrying 20ton of battery bla bla bla.
The g20 really is a good car. It’s like a small 5 series where previous generations were cheaper feeling that the 5 series.
They also respond really well to remapping apparently. Same engine as the 330i but in a lower state of tune. 400hp is a map away.
sam.rog said:
It also has an engine.
Combined output is a shade under 300hp. Its quick enough.
So the petrol engine kicks in on a fairly regular basis even within the "EV range"?Combined output is a shade under 300hp. Its quick enough.
Interesting - slightly different in concept to the way our Across works which is that it stays as a pure EV until you either use up the EV range or manually select hybrid mode. I sometimes go weeks without the ICE firing at all even in quite spirited rural driving.
SSG1000 said:
I was looking at a 2020+ , in the £14-£15k region. I also see a few 530e’s hovering in that price range too
Sam.rog above is fairly spot on in his assessment. I had the G21 facelifted car but it was virtually the same. We got on avg usually 21-25mile EV range from ours.
My long term avg was the cost equivalent of 75mpg in petrol.
In all honesty we have moved to a Tesla Model 3 and find it superior in every area. If your budget could work and you can charge at home I’d highly recommend this route.
Edited by CG2020UK on Saturday 1st February 07:57
Snow and Rocks said:
So the petrol engine kicks in on a fairly regular basis even within the "EV range"?
Interesting - slightly different in concept to the way our Across works which is that it stays as a pure EV until you either use up the EV range or manually select hybrid mode. I sometimes go weeks without the ICE firing at all even in quite spirited rural driving.
No it runs the same as your car as still ultimately a PHEV. Interesting - slightly different in concept to the way our Across works which is that it stays as a pure EV until you either use up the EV range or manually select hybrid mode. I sometimes go weeks without the ICE firing at all even in quite spirited rural driving.
It depends how much you want to stick your foot down but primarily it runs EV in hybrid and figures out when to switch itself.
BMW hybrids also switch to petrol at 68mph as they deem it more efficient when in hybrid mode.
You can drive EV only until your range runs out if you wish.
While certainly not fast you can potter about on EV only and keep up with traffic no problem. Cars are impacted significantly more by aerodynamics than weight.
I had the F30 2018 model, company car so hardly charged it but when I did I was surprised by the lack of electric range and it only worked up to 30ish MPH.
I did like though, it was quick and refined although small boot and even smaller fuel tank. I felt like I was always filling it up.
I did like though, it was quick and refined although small boot and even smaller fuel tank. I felt like I was always filling it up.
Andy86GT said:
To answer the OP question, my last X1 PHEV's battery was as good after 3 years, as when new after regular full to empty charging.
Some of my colleagues have the 330e and seem to like them, they are plenty quick enough too.
Thank you, will just be a motorway crusher until it eventually dies….! Some of my colleagues have the 330e and seem to like them, they are plenty quick enough too.
I've driven a 2021 330e for the last 4 years. more than half my journeys are short commutes, so it works for me. Longer journeys the petrol engine kicks in, or over the 68 mph if on the motorway unless you go in pure electric mode.
The electric range varies a lot with weather. It got down to 10 miles alleged range in the very cold in January (it was more than that in reality but not a lot).
Normally it is about 20-25 miles reasonable driving. I've gotten 30 out of it.
Mine has a sport mode (they might all do?) which combines with the electric to feel very quick.
It's a nice car with nice toys and I do like driving it, (and miss some of the toys and feel of the car when I drive something else).
Downsides IMO are
- Too low an electric range (I mostly drive in Hybrid Eco Pro). I've done approx 15600 miles with just over 9000 'electric' or eco.
- Too slow to charge. Whilst I have a 7KWh charger at home, it only charges at half that rate, limited by the car. It takes about 3.5 hours to fully charge.
- Too expensive. It is a company car and it cost me equivalent of pay of 5500 (BIK value) last year. Insurance (company car is about 2K a year - I'm late forties with no points) and car tax was quite high too (nearly 600 a year).
I was looking at the Mercedes C300e when I had to change, but it wasn't out for another 6 months (late 2021), and I regret not being able to wait for it, as it was supposed to be a good bit cheaper on the BIK I pay (~30% less - 8% vs 12%), as the range is higher and that would have helped for a few of the longer journeys I've done, and the charging supports faster charge.
The electric range varies a lot with weather. It got down to 10 miles alleged range in the very cold in January (it was more than that in reality but not a lot).
Normally it is about 20-25 miles reasonable driving. I've gotten 30 out of it.
Mine has a sport mode (they might all do?) which combines with the electric to feel very quick.
It's a nice car with nice toys and I do like driving it, (and miss some of the toys and feel of the car when I drive something else).
Downsides IMO are
- Too low an electric range (I mostly drive in Hybrid Eco Pro). I've done approx 15600 miles with just over 9000 'electric' or eco.
- Too slow to charge. Whilst I have a 7KWh charger at home, it only charges at half that rate, limited by the car. It takes about 3.5 hours to fully charge.
- Too expensive. It is a company car and it cost me equivalent of pay of 5500 (BIK value) last year. Insurance (company car is about 2K a year - I'm late forties with no points) and car tax was quite high too (nearly 600 a year).
I was looking at the Mercedes C300e when I had to change, but it wasn't out for another 6 months (late 2021), and I regret not being able to wait for it, as it was supposed to be a good bit cheaper on the BIK I pay (~30% less - 8% vs 12%), as the range is higher and that would have helped for a few of the longer journeys I've done, and the charging supports faster charge.
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