Illegal worker arrests up 73% in a year

[Saleen836]

UK wide raids on the usual places like nail bars & car washes with 609 arrests made, I'm guessing names etc taken then released on bail to work illegally somewhere else

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o

[98elise]

Saleen836 said:

UK wide raids on the usual places like nail bars & car washes with 609 arrests made, I'm guessing names etc taken then released on bail to work illegally somewhere else

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o

My local Indian has been done about 3 times. The last time the owner claimed he had seen all their papers, but it was all on his old phone which he lost! As a result they've now lost their licence.

It was a shame as it was a bloody good Indian, with a multi award wining chef. They now have to operate without a bar, and last time I was in there it was not very busy. You used to have to book weeks in advance.

[Bluevanman]

Give them all UK citizenship and they won't be illegal,sorted

[don'tbesilly]

Saleen836 said:

UK wide raids on the usual places like nail bars & car washes with 609 arrests made, I'm guessing names etc taken then released on bail to work illegally somewhere else

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o

Beeb said:

From the start of the Labour government in July up to 31 January, 3,930 arrests were made over 5,424 visits by immigration enforcement officers, the Home Office said.

During the same period, four of the "biggest return flights in the UK's history" were also carried out, the Home Office said, returning more than 800 people.

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

[Earthdweller]

don'tbesilly said:

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

A large percentage are voluntary returns or people leaving at the expiration of their visas

It really is smoke and mirrors

[Murph7355]

Earthdweller said:

don'tbesilly said:

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

A large percentage are voluntary returns or people leaving at the expiration of their visas

It really is smoke and mirrors

The news outlets needed to be more on their toes when poking at this one this morning then.

On the face of it, the numbers looked useful. But if that's the case, not so much.

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

My local Indian has been done about 3 times. The last time the owner claimed he had seen all their papers, but it was all on his old phone which he lost! As a result they've now lost their licence.

It was a shame as it was a bloody good Indian, with a multi award wining chef. They now have to operate without a bar, and last time I was in there it was not very busy. You used to have to book weeks in advance.

Anyone busted at work should get the option to nominate an unemployed Brit to be deported in their place!

[Oakey]

pheonix478 said:

Anyone busted at work should get the option to nominate an unemployed Brit to be deported in their place!

Do you think they are getting minimum wage, NI and tax paid?

[don'tbesilly]

Earthdweller said:

don'tbesilly said:

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

A large percentage are voluntary returns or people leaving at the expiration of their visas

It really is smoke and mirrors

The boast from Labour (funnily enough Oliver Ryan) was that Labour had deported 16,500 individuals since Labour won the GE back in July.
It subsequently transpired that of the 16,500 only 4,390 were ‘enforced’ returns, 12,110 voluntarily returned to their home countries, no doubt a significant number took £3,000 of UK taxpayers money with them.

[milesgiles]

98elise said:

Saleen836 said:

UK wide raids on the usual places like nail bars & car washes with 609 arrests made, I'm guessing names etc taken then released on bail to work illegally somewhere else

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o

My local Indian has been done about 3 times. The last time the owner claimed he had seen all their papers, but it was all on his old phone which he lost! As a result they've now lost their licence.

It was a shame as it was a bloody good Indian, with a multi award wining chef. They now have to operate without a bar, and last time I was in there it was not very busy. You used to have to book weeks in advance.

Play stupid games

[98elise]

Oakey said:

pheonix478 said:

Anyone busted at work should get the option to nominate an unemployed Brit to be deported in their place!

Do you think they are getting minimum wage, NI and tax paid?

Correct. This is the place, and some of the workers were paid £100 a week + food!

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/tandoori-...

The wall is full of awards and it's expensive for the area.

[Dingu]

Saleen836 said:

UK wide raids on the usual places like nail bars & car washes with 609 arrests made, I'm guessing names etc taken then released on bail to work illegally somewhere else

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o

Bet they work harder than you mind.

[Dingu]

Oakey said:

pheonix478 said:

Anyone busted at work should get the option to nominate an unemployed Brit to be deported in their place!

Do you think they are getting minimum wage, NI and tax paid?

The clue is in their right to work status.

In any case that’s the employers fault rather than the employee.

If only most of the brits had such work ethic!

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

Oakey said:

pheonix478 said:

Anyone busted at work should get the option to nominate an unemployed Brit to be deported in their place!

Do you think they are getting minimum wage, NI and tax paid?

Correct. This is the place, and some of the workers were paid £100 a week + food!

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/tandoori-...

The wall is full of awards and it's expensive for the area.

It's possible, in keeping with recent UK government policies, I didn't do a full impact assessment, in case it showed it was complete bo11ocks.

[E63eeeeee...]

don'tbesilly said:

Earthdweller said:

don'tbesilly said:

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

A large percentage are voluntary returns or people leaving at the expiration of their visas

It really is smoke and mirrors

The boast from Labour (funnily enough Oliver Ryan) was that Labour had deported 16,500 individuals since Labour won the GE back in July.
It subsequently transpired that of the 16,500 only 4,390 were ‘enforced’ returns, 12,110 voluntarily returned to their home countries, no doubt a significant number took £3,000 of UK taxpayers money with them.

Voluntary returns are better and cheaper than enforced returns, that's the whole point of having them. Not having to physically force people to leave is the system working.

[Condi]

PH, and NP+E is truly bat-st at times.

NP+E - The government are doing nothing about immigration, it's terrible.

Government - deport 19,000 people, bust more illegal employers, and arrest more people than ever before in January.

NP+E - They're probably just going to release them all, it's all smoke and mirrors.


Not sure how they're going to "release" nearly 20,000 people who have left the country, but anyway.

Genuine question, but what do people on here expect from the government, any government? I guess NP+E wouldn't be happy unless there were machine gun posts on the beaches of Kent, but within reason deporting 19,000 people seems like progress, no?

[rscott]

don'tbesilly said:

Saleen836 said:

UK wide raids on the usual places like nail bars & car washes with 609 arrests made, I'm guessing names etc taken then released on bail to work illegally somewhere else

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o

Beeb said:

From the start of the Labour government in July up to 31 January, 3,930 arrests were made over 5,424 visits by immigration enforcement officers, the Home Office said.

During the same period, four of the "biggest return flights in the UK's history" were also carried out, the Home Office said, returning more than 800 people.

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Try reading it again. It says that in the same period, 4 of the biggest return flights in history took place, which returned 800 people between them.

In total, they've returned 19,000 in the same period.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-office-sma...

[don'tbesilly]

E63eeeeee... said:

don'tbesilly said:

Earthdweller said:

don'tbesilly said:

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

A large percentage are voluntary returns or people leaving at the expiration of their visas

It really is smoke and mirrors

The boast from Labour (funnily enough Oliver Ryan) was that Labour had deported 16,500 individuals since Labour won the GE back in July.
It subsequently transpired that of the 16,500 only 4,390 were ‘enforced’ returns, 12,110 voluntarily returned to their home countries, no doubt a significant number took £3,000 of UK taxpayers money with them.

Voluntary returns are better and cheaper than enforced returns, that's the whole point of having them. Not having to physically force people to leave is the system working.

How many of the 12,110 people who left ‘voluntarily’ did so after pocketing £3,000?

Let us know that number and let others decide if it’s both better and cheaper.

12,110 people pocketing £3,000 to leave the UK voluntarily is £36.33 million of taxpayers hard earned, and is hardly the bargain you seem to think it is.

It might be better for the Govt if they were more transparent with their messaging, rather than people finding out the ‘truth’ and jumping to their own conclusions…hang on we’ve been here before.

[E63eeeeee...]

don'tbesilly said:

E63eeeeee... said:

don'tbesilly said:

Earthdweller said:

don'tbesilly said:

So of the 3,390 arrests just 800 were deported, I rather suspect the 800 deported didn’t include many of those 3,390.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

A large percentage are voluntary returns or people leaving at the expiration of their visas

It really is smoke and mirrors

The boast from Labour (funnily enough Oliver Ryan) was that Labour had deported 16,500 individuals since Labour won the GE back in July.
It subsequently transpired that of the 16,500 only 4,390 were ‘enforced’ returns, 12,110 voluntarily returned to their home countries, no doubt a significant number took £3,000 of UK taxpayers money with them.

Voluntary returns are better and cheaper than enforced returns, that's the whole point of having them. Not having to physically force people to leave is the system working.

How many of the 12,110 people who left ‘voluntarily’ did so after pocketing £3,000?

Let us know that number and let others decide if it’s both better and cheaper.

12,110 people pocketing £3,000 to leave the UK voluntarily is £36.33 million of taxpayers hard earned, and is hardly the bargain you seem to think it is.

It might be better for the Govt if they were more transparent with their messaging, rather than people finding out the ‘truth’ and jumping to their own conclusions…hang on we’ve been here before.

Oh dear, are you getting stroppy with the government because you didn't understand what was going on and jumped to conclusions? Like you thought they'd only sent four return flights? Maybe in future don't get so attached to a position on a subject you don't know anything about.

1. There are rules about who qualifies for the £3k, you can look them up. 2. it's partly funded by the carriers liability act charges on people who bring in undocumented migrants, and 3. It's still overall cheaper than arrests, detention, escorts etc for enforced returns. That's why it exists.

[Condi]

don'tbesilly said:

How many of the 12,110 people who left ‘voluntarily’ did so after pocketing £3,000?

Let us know that number and let others decide if it’s both better and cheaper.

Why is it for "others" (whoever they are) to decide?

The government will know, and it's pretty logical that court courts (possibly plus appeal), detention for a period of weeks/months, and then "supervised" removal will come in significantly more than £3k!