Sentence too lenient

[mickythefish]

https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/new...

So this guy has just done a 7 year sentence a few days later attacks another woman and gets two years.

Yes the rape was unproven but this this really the state of the system. It just feels very lenient,two years isn't much more than many non violent crimes.

[Terminator X]

Out in less than a year then. All that evidence she had on him too, legal system can be pathetic at times.

TX.

[Sebring440]

mickythefish said:

https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/new... the rape was unproven but this this really the state of the system.

You should write a book about it Micky.

Not War and Peace, but well-researched, with properly worked-out conclusions. You know, just one or two paragraphs for the whole book. I know you're up for it.

[mickythefish]

Terminator X said:

Out in less than a year then. All that evidence she had on him too, legal system can be pathetic at times.

TX.

quite a few sexual related convictions seem to be lenient recently.

i imagine the next victim will probably be killed next.

[agtlaw]

Terminator X said:

Out in less than a year then. All that evidence she had on him too, legal system can be pathetic at times.

TX.

If you actually bothered to read the article before posting nonsense:

"was sentenced to a total of two years and 11 months’ imprisonment."

[mickythefish]

agtlaw said:

If you actually bothered to read the article before posting nonsense:

"was sentenced to a total of two years and 11 months’ imprisonment."

think he highlighting the current governments earky release program.

''The SDS40 Early Release Scheme is a stopgap measure, introduced by the Government to ease the pressure on our overburdened prison system. The policy itself will allow certain cohorts to be released from custody after serving 40% of their sentence in prison as opposed to 50%.''

1.2 years just after a 7 year sentence for pretty much the same thing. I know in America a similar offence increases points and therefore the sentence, as clearly the perp isn't rehabilitated and has a clear pattern of behaviour. That's what the issue I see. I believe when he comes out, he will probably end up killing his next victim, based on his pattern of behaviour. As the jail time clearly isn't a deterrent.

Unless he is classed as high risk, but knowing the current system doubt it.

Edited by mickythefish on Saturday 22 February 12:51

[reddiesel]

mickythefish said:

https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/new...

So this guy has just done a 7 year sentence a few days later attacks another woman and gets two years.

Yes the rape was unproven but this this really the state of the system. It just feels very lenient,two years isn't much more than many non violent crimes.

"Un Proven" . Whilst offering no excuses for the behaviour of this individual whatsoever the verdict was Not Guilty .

[Silvanus]

reddiesel said:

mickythefish said:

https://www.northants.police.uk/news/northants/new...

So this guy has just done a 7 year sentence a few days later attacks another woman and gets two years.

Yes the rape was unproven but this this really the state of the system. It just feels very lenient,two years isn't much more than many non violent crimes.

"Un Proven" . Whilst offering no excuses for the behaviour of this individual whatsoever the verdict was Not Guilty .

And as we all know, not guilty isn't the same as being innocent. Happens far too often is sexual assault and rape cases. But it is what it is an without enough evidence to be found guilty, many walk away.

[Terminator X]

agtlaw said:

Terminator X said:

Out in less than a year then. All that evidence she had on him too, legal system can be pathetic at times.

TX.

If you actually bothered to read the article before posting nonsense:

"was sentenced to a total of two years and 11 months’ imprisonment."

What's your point?

TX.

[mickythefish]

Silvanus said:

And as we all know, not guilty isn't the same as being innocent. Happens far too often is sexual assault and rape cases. But it is what it is an without enough evidence to be found guilty, many walk away.

Yeah you can be guilty and found not guilty in court.

Conviction rate is about 80% for cases generally.

Rapes cases it is about 58%.

I do find this case very weird hence why I posted it.

[eldar]

Silvanus said:

And as we all know, not guilty isn't the same as being innocent. Happens far too often is sexual assault and rape cases. But it is what it is an without enough evidence to be found guilty, many walk away.

Being charged = guilty? Innocent people never get charged, presumeably.

[Silvanus]

eldar said:

Silvanus said:

And as we all know, not guilty isn't the same as being innocent. Happens far too often is sexual assault and rape cases. But it is what it is an without enough evidence to be found guilty, many walk away.

Being charged = guilty? Innocent people never get charged, presumeably.

In no way is that what I said.

[mickythefish]

I honestly was surprised at how lenient the sentence was. If someone has access to the case would be interested to know why rapes didn't stick.

[Silvanus]

mickythefish said:

I honestly was surprised at how lenient the sentence was. If someone has access to the case would be interested to know why rapes didn't stick.

They can be notoriously difficult to prove, especially without physical evidence or a witness. Even with physical evidence, it still might not be enough.

[whimsical ninja]

Have a look at the sentencing guidelines. I have no idea how the judge sentenced it, but for example if it was a high-culpability, medium-harm ABH, the starting point would be 1 year 6 months, with a range of 36 weeks to 2 years 6 months. The domestic abuse context and previous conviction would be relevant (and serious) aggravating factors; the strangulation and threats - assuming they wasn't sentenced consecutively - would be another, so it may well be that the judge actually went north of the range (it may have had a starting point of high-harm high-culpability but in that case you'd expect the sentence to be higher). If he's not guilty of the rape then he's not going to be sentenced for it, although without knowing any of the details we can't know whether there would be aspects of sexual violence which the judge could take into account at sentencing.

So it's probably perfectly reasonable as per the guidelines. Now if you want to argue that sentencing guidelines are a mess then that's a perfectly valid argument (for example: being concerned in the supply of 200 ecstasy tablets with a significant role has a starting point of 4.5 years, while a high-culpability, high-harm residential burglary has a starting point of 3 years!)