RE: For the 'just because' moments: McLaren talks V8
RE: For the 'just because' moments: McLaren talks V8
Thursday 27th February 2025

For the 'just because' moments: McLaren talks V8

The W1's all-new MHP-8 engine will spearhead McLaren's supercars for a generation


We already knew plenty about the W1’s all-new powertrain - the 928hp, 9,200rpm-capable, 4.0-litre V8 is very much at the centre of what makes the car special, after all - but McLaren couldn’t resist a second bite of the good news cherry. Partly, one suspects, because it’s nice to have your talents celebrated with a new owner at the controls (Abu Dhabi-based CYVN's takeover is officially still pending), and partly because there’s a good deal more to say about an engine destined to become familiar to buyers far beyond the lifespan of one limited-edition hypercar. Even if said hypercar is itself still some way over the horizon. 

Of course, to hear McLaren tell it, the genesis of its new V8 and the W1 are very much intertwined. The same engineers admitted to PH last year that it had been working on the engine for four years, and lo and behold, among many (many) slides, there was one to back this up: the concept of a turbocharged 4.0-litre V8 was apparently fixed halfway through 2020, with proof of concept confirmed the following year. And while it goes without saying that McLaren already knew the configuration very well, it claims to have removed no alternative from the original drawing board without giving it due consideration; it just felt that a V8 provided the best compromise of compactness and lightweight and character that it was looking for. 

Ah yes, character. This came up a lot on the slides, and well it might. Though its maker is quick to point out that ever-larger outputs, stricter emissions legislation and even more stringent weight loss stipulated a clean-sheet design, there is no question at all that it targeted a 'strong emotional connection with the driver’ from day one. To suggest that the M838T or M840T didn’t achieve this is mostly nonsense - but when you’re being compared like-for-like with the engines that Ferrari produces, being very good is not good enough. Now more than ever, McLaren knows it needs a V8 for the ages - and not just because it might be the last one it ever makes from scratch. 

Right at the top of its slide deck, the brand reminded us that ‘supercars are emotional purchases’ and while its line-up must now be (lightly) hybridised, the prospect of a 90-degree, flat-plane crank V8 is meant to ensure that customers - especially those with financial access to anything and everything - are sufficiently bought in. It is partly to this end that McLaren has endeavoured to go beyond 9,000rpm with hollow intake valves (a first for the firm) and a stiffer crankshaft, and paid special attention to the (longer) length of its exhaust manifold runners - but also why it has spent a significant amount of time in a semi-anechoic chamber with an acoustic camera aimed at a running engine. Because part of the trick is removing the mechanical noise that you don’t want to hear, hence the relocation of the timing drive to the rear of the V8 and a preoccupation with modal frequencies. McLaren wants sweetness, not blare. 

It also wants the kind of responsiveness that can hold a candle to super-fast EVs. So while there might be an emphasis on the ‘crescendo’ that is achieved beyond 6,000rpm, the MHP-8 - which earns direct and port injection, another first for McLaren - also delivers 30 per cent more torque than the most powerful derivative of its predecessor from as low as 2,500rpm. And beneath that the W1 has its new 347hp/325lb ft e-motor to call upon, one derived from Indycar and said to weigh just 20kg even with its control unit factored in - 50 per cent lighter than the equivalent module found in the Speedtail. In fact, at 23hp per kilogram, McLaren suggests that it’s comparable to the electric motors used in F1. 

The e-motor is mounted on the side of the new eight-speed DCT gearbox, and delivers its power downstream of the clutches. This will be modulated in Comfort mode, but in Sport the manufacturer says that you’ll get 347hp ‘all the time’ - suggesting that you won’t have drained a fully charged battery even with a flat-out charge to the limiter at 217mph. Which is worth noting when you consider its dinky 1.384kWh capacity, designed specifically to administer and then accrue charge as quickly as possible. So while its electric-only ’stealth’ mode is only really good for getting out of earshot of your immediate neighbours, it will offer ‘consistent’ performance over a track session in ‘GP’, thanks to a recuperation process that begins the moment you take your foot off the accelerator (but without being connected to or compromising the brake pedal). 

Of course, this being McLaren, and the W1 representing the pinnacle of what it thinks is currently doable, there is also a ’Sprint’ setting inside the Race mode, which turns everything up to 11 for one lap. Do this and the manufacturer is confident that you’ll open up a three-second gap to the ‘next fastest road-legal McLaren’ - which is almost certainly a projection at this stage of development but still looks great on a slide (and in your mind’s eye, crushing Senna owners). Naturally, that cheque is being cashed primarily by the combined 1,275hp output, although the engineers seem no less proud of the ‘class-leading’ 911hp/tonne power-to-weight ratio it has achieved not just by stuffing the battery’s cylindrical cells into the equivalent of a gnat’s suitcase, but also by subtracting mass from the new engine. 

Granted, this only adds up to a 10kg saving in the final tally - not least because McLaren has ‘spent’ weight on the more sophisticated fuel injection system and larger turbos and on strengthening - but the lengths it has gone to speak to its renowned preoccupation with sweating the details. This includes the higher-end components you’d expect like the hollow camshafts and intake valves, and innovations like mounting the air filter directly over the engine and optimising the cooling system more generally - but it has also reduced the engine’s length by about 30mm thanks to marginally smaller cylinder bores and significantly smaller space between them. 

So - lighter, smaller, stronger, faster to rev and sweeter to listen to. And not quite at its limit yet either, admitted one of its chief architects under questioning - before a colleague hastily suggested that the V8 was as far along as McLaren was able to take it for now, thereby preserving the W1’s apex predator aura. The manufacturer was much more forthright about the MHP-8 unit going the other way, reiterating that its hybridised 4.0-litre V8 would ‘power the next generation of McLaren supercars’ once its pioneering role in the hypercar was complete. Quite what form that will take first remains to be seen, although a follow-up to the stupendously good 750S is keenly anticipated. Doubly so if the W1 sounds as good as the slides would have us believe. 


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varsas

Original Poster:

4,075 posts

231 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Does this mean the Artura is a bit of a technological dead-end, and all future cars will (essentially) use the W1 powertrain; or will there be two tiers, 'junior' cars with a V6, and 'senior' cars with a V8?

Terminator X

20,543 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Interesting article.

TX.

Twinair

1,026 posts

171 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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That engine ‘internals’ picture cloud9

Frankychops

2,034 posts

38 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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varsas said:
Does this mean the Artura is a bit of a technological dead-end, and all future cars will (essentially) use the W1 powertrain; or will there be two tiers, 'junior' cars with a V6, and 'senior' cars with a V8?
I’d guess this. The v6 is outputting a lot less than it can

ManyMotors

1,098 posts

127 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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EVO reports this powertrain won't be available until 2028. But I find this encouraging and hope Mike Leiters gets enough cash to bring this to market. And, though maybe I missed this, the electric motor seems to be radial flux and not what Mike did with the axial flux on the 296.

Wadeski

9,019 posts

242 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Is anyone else slightly disappointed the "top level" McLarens are sticking with V8s?

Maybe its because I'm old but V10 / V12 always seemed appropriate for the really spendy stuff.

daveco

4,400 posts

236 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Wadeski said:
Is anyone else slightly disappointed the "top level" McLarens are sticking with V8s?

Maybe its because I'm old but V10 / V12 always seemed appropriate for the really spendy stuff.
Ferrari offering a V6 in their hyper car so it seems par for the course.

Although a brand new design for the V8 that shares exactly the same displacement as their current V8? Maybe I'm being cynical hehe

RenesisEvo

3,826 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Interesting.

Very interesting.

Impressive even.

But it still doesn't make me want a W1.

GreatScott2016

2,504 posts

117 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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On such a sublime piece of engineering, all I can see is an older BMW oozing out the rear! The W1 exhaust tips in that picture remind me of when BMW had smaller kidney grills!

samoht

7,213 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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daveco said:
Wadeski said:
Is anyone else slightly disappointed the "top level" McLarens are sticking with V8s?

Maybe its because I'm old but V10 / V12 always seemed appropriate for the really spendy stuff.
Ferrari offering a V6 in their hyper car so it seems par for the course.

Although a brand new design for the V8 that shares exactly the same displacement as their current V8? Maybe I'm being cynical hehe
From the article it sounds like the bore, stroke and bore spacing are all different, so it does sound like a genuinely all-new engine (I wondered the same at first).

I'm guessing the more compact V8 makes the car faster round a lap than a V12 would, and for the top McLarens outright performance is a major focus.

pycraft

1,429 posts

213 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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ManyMotors said:
And, though maybe I missed this, the electric motor seems to be radial flux and not what Mike did with the axial flux on the 296.
I suspect that for many on the forum, there's zero flux given about any of it.

bobj42

111 posts

40 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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The motoring press has been complaining about the sound of McLarens vs other supercars since the 12C.
So it's no surprise McLaren is going to some effort with acoustics of the new engine.

Nobody13

776 posts

231 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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RenesisEvo said:
Interesting.

Very interesting.

Impressive even.

But it still doesn't make me want a W1.
Given the choice (not really an option since I am not their target purchaser), but wouldn't you choose this over the Ferrari F80? I would, although, the Ferrari I would have thought would be more collectable, but having a V6 may hold it back (who knows).

IMI A

9,997 posts

230 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Its pretty obvious the 750s replacement will have 800-900bhp yikes

ManyMotors

1,098 posts

127 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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pycraft said:
ManyMotors said:
And, though maybe I missed this, the electric motor seems to be radial flux and not what Mike did with the axial flux on the 296.
I suspect that for many on the forum, there's zero flux given about any of it.
No doubt McLaren will offer, as an option, an anti-luddite clear coat to resist hammer attacks.

alex_2015

302 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Why this busy design, full of lines, creases, textures? Seems a bit trying too hard. All last 10 yrs models look almost the same.
Can't they come up with a clean design, each with their personality? See Mclaren F1.

MDL111

8,893 posts

206 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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I think it looks better than the Ferrari (at least it does in black). I would pick a P1 over this though as I think it looks much cooler and a LaFerrari over all of them due to the engine. If you park this and the P1 next to each other, I think purely on looks I would think the P1 is the newer car / fresher design.

redroadster

1,886 posts

261 months

Thursday 27th February 2025
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Biggest mistake is only making 2 seaters,no matter what engine they stick with it won't make a difference to company surviving .

georgeyboy12345

4,605 posts

64 months

Friday 28th February 2025
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Hopefully it sounds better than the current agricultural sounding crop of V8s

smilo996

3,819 posts

199 months

Friday 28th February 2025
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Odd that Ricardo are written out this time. Not really all new. It is an evolution of what has gone before. Nice though.
Mclaren as a company, little more than a commodity being punted from one Middle Eastern county to the next.

Edited by smilo996 on Friday 28th February 09:47