Opinion on accident fault...
Discussion
Car A is approaching a road outside a school. Cars are parked on the nearside of the road, awaiting children to leave school and be collected.
Car A is following Car B. Car B is indicating nearside to park behind the other parked cars.
Car A overtakes the moving Car B seemingly intending to overtake the line of parked cars. Car A sees a car coming the other way, so pulls infront of Car B who is still moving and Car A's NSR and Car B's OSF collide.
Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?
Car A is following Car B. Car B is indicating nearside to park behind the other parked cars.
Car A overtakes the moving Car B seemingly intending to overtake the line of parked cars. Car A sees a car coming the other way, so pulls infront of Car B who is still moving and Car A's NSR and Car B's OSF collide.
Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?
Peterpetrole said:
"Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?"
In English?
Exactly as the normal situation of parking at the back of a queue of parked cars..... only reversing towards a queue of parked cars. It would be an offside indicaiton in the car, as it's going backwards? So it's indicating towards the curb??In English?
PistonTim said:
Why would anyone overtake a car that's parking on small road by a school at collection time?
Seems reckless if not dangerously impatient.
This.Seems reckless if not dangerously impatient.
And overtaking vehicle keeps clear. They clearly did not leave enough room for manoeuvring car or oncoming car.
and as for some confusing thing about one of the cars going backwards at the time, whoever was near should have stayed WELL back....
eltax91 said:
Car A is approaching a road outside a school. Cars are parked on the nearside of the road, awaiting children to leave school and be collected.
Car A is following Car B. Car B is indicating nearside to park behind the other parked cars.
Car A overtakes the moving Car B seemingly intending to overtake the line of parked cars. Car A sees a car coming the other way, so pulls infront of Car B who is still moving and Car A's NSR and Car B's OSF collide.
Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?
Yes, the blame allocation could change depending on whether Car B is moving forward or reversing, as reversing vehicles generally have a greater duty of care. Let’s break it down:Car A is following Car B. Car B is indicating nearside to park behind the other parked cars.
Car A overtakes the moving Car B seemingly intending to overtake the line of parked cars. Car A sees a car coming the other way, so pulls infront of Car B who is still moving and Car A's NSR and Car B's OSF collide.
Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?
Scenario 1: Car B is Moving Forward and Indicating Nearside
• Car B’s position: Moving forward, indicating to park.
• Car A’s maneuver: Overtakes Car B while it is still moving.
• Collision point: Car A pulls back in too soon, resulting in a collision between Car A’s nearside rear (NSR) and Car B’s offside front (OSF).
• Blame consideration: Car A is likely at fault for unsafe overtaking and failing to ensure there was enough space before moving back into the lane.
Scenario 2: Car B is Reversing, Indicating to the Offside to Park Backwards
• Car B’s position: Reversing while indicating offside.
• Car A’s maneuver: Overtakes and then pulls in, leading to the same collision.
• Blame consideration:
• Reversing drivers have a greater duty of care because they are moving against the expected flow.
• If Car B reversed into Car A, Car B may bear more liability as reversing drivers must ensure the way is clear.
• However, if Car A moved into Car B’s path while Car B was already reversing, there could be shared blame.
Final Analysis
• If Car B was moving forward, Car A is likely at fault for unsafe overtaking.
• If Car B was reversing, fault could shift more towards Car B for reversing into another vehicle’s path.
• If evidence shows Car A moved back unsafely regardless of Car B’s reversing, Car A may still hold primary responsibility.
• If Car B reversed into a stationary Car A, Car B would likely be at fault.
Blame may be shared depending on the exact circumstances, especially if Car B was already reversing when Car A pulled in.
Ignoring the parked cars, and comments about what they think other cars are doing etc, it's very clear cut.
Car A has overtaken Car B and pulled in before having completely passed it and crashed into Car B.
Even in a no other cars scenario, Car A is at fault. Add in the parked cars and it makes Car A even more at fault as they are then overtaking a car which is driving round an obstruction.
The only time Car A wouldn't be at fault would be if Car B had come to a complete stop and then set off again as Car B was passing.
Car A has overtaken Car B and pulled in before having completely passed it and crashed into Car B.
Even in a no other cars scenario, Car A is at fault. Add in the parked cars and it makes Car A even more at fault as they are then overtaking a car which is driving round an obstruction.
The only time Car A wouldn't be at fault would be if Car B had come to a complete stop and then set off again as Car B was passing.
eltax91 said:
Car A is approaching a road outside a school. Cars are parked on the nearside of the road, awaiting children to leave school and be collected.
Car A is following Car B. Car B is indicating nearside to park behind the other parked cars.
Car A overtakes the moving Car B seemingly intending to overtake the line of parked cars. Car A sees a car coming the other way, so pulls infront of Car B who is still moving and Car A's NSR and Car B's OSF collide.
Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?
Which car were you driving?Car A is following Car B. Car B is indicating nearside to park behind the other parked cars.
Car A overtakes the moving Car B seemingly intending to overtake the line of parked cars. Car A sees a car coming the other way, so pulls infront of Car B who is still moving and Car A's NSR and Car B's OSF collide.
Does the blame change of Car B is reversing in the same lane, indicating to the OS and attempting to park in the queue, only backwards?
Road2Ruin said:
Catnip64 said:
Which car were you driving?
The one not at fault, obviously.
I posted it like this because often there’s a pile on to the OP and it effects people’s independence as they all love to criticise. I was indeed driving car B. I do this reverse 4 times a week. Varying in length depending on how long the queue is.
The older gentleman in question came at me with the full ‘you’re reversing it’s your fault’ attack. I suggested we exchange details, calm down and talk later.
I’ve since had apologetic text about the hot headedness earlier. We have agreed to sort our relatively minor damage out each.
Mine wiped right away and won’t need more than a polish I don’t think.
Here’s my approach. I tend to swing into the farm entrance in the left like the red arrow. The. Reverse in the direction of the green arrow.
8-10 car lengths is the norm. Something more, sometimes less. Trying to overtake the cars after pickup takes forever.
A 3 point turn is all but impossible with cars and buses everywhere.
This, ironically seems the safest way to do it, despite today’s issue.
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