"Speed limits must be appropriate to the road."
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A rather uncommon idea from Cornwall County Council, "Cornwall Council says increasing the limit from 30mph to 60mph is appropriate for the road"
Met with the usual "thousands will die" comments.
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/bi...
To be fair when I lived there I didn't think there were any speed limits, not being part of England and all that. Kernow Bys Vyken.
Met with the usual "thousands will die" comments.
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/bi...
To be fair when I lived there I didn't think there were any speed limits, not being part of England and all that. Kernow Bys Vyken.
Sebring440 said:
J__Wood said:
To be fair when I lived there I didn't think there were any speed limits, not being part of England and all that.
Ah, a "Freeman of the (Cornish) Land".How did you get on with that when you lived there? Ever caught for speeding? How did that go?
J__Wood said:
A rather uncommon idea from Cornwall County Council, "Cornwall Council says increasing the limit from 30mph to 60mph is appropriate for the road"
Maybe I need to move! I'm in Surrey and all they are doing is reducing 60 and 50 limits to 40 regardless of the 75% negative feedback they get when they go through their "consultation" charade.
Mr Tidy said:
I'm in Surrey and all they are doing is reducing 60 and 50 limits to 40 regardless of the 75% negative feedback they get when they go through their "consultation" charade.
If they can't find any stats pertinent to road safety, they will use the 'emissions' angle instead.Mr Tidy said:
Maybe I need to move!
I'm in Surrey and all they are doing is reducing 60 and 50 limits to 40 regardless of the 75% negative feedback they get when they go through their "consultation" charade.
To be fair to Surrey, they have loads of posters at the side of restricted roads to say that the speed limit is 30 mph. Speed limit signs are not allowed there.I'm in Surrey and all they are doing is reducing 60 and 50 limits to 40 regardless of the 75% negative feedback they get when they go through their "consultation" charade.
This assists the hard of learning and persistently ignorant.
Sebring440 said:
J__Wood said:
To be fair when I lived there I didn't think there were any speed limits, not being part of England and all that.
Ah, a "Freeman of the (Cornish) Land".How did you get on with that when you lived there? Ever caught for speeding? How did that go?
te needed.The arms also include 15 Cornish golden bezants on a black field (to represent how often you'll see the sun in summer)
The supporters of the arms are a fisherman and a miner (now mostly seen at the job centre)
As for the speeding it was all good until Cornwall County Constabulary merged with them foreign Devon lot.
In reality it was the early 80s so a World away from today, when (often) stopped it was a common sense approach.
44 years later (first year was on a moped so...) still no fines, endorsements, points or educational Teams calls, despite moving to England. Although I did ride down to Lyme Regis today so who knows what the future holds for me.
Phud said:
Not really because they are introducing 20 limits everywhere they camn
I think some areas of Wales have removed some of the new 20 zones and reinstated a 30 mph speed limit. After just returning from a lovely week in Wales, the 20 mph limit means a lot of time looking at your speedo. Speed limits appropriate to the road …. That brings back memories of working in a highways department from the 1970s onwards and as a Traffic Engineer changing speed limits and parking restrictions in a large rural county.
I remember the Government guidance was contained in a document “Circular Roads 1/80” I quoted it often enough to Parish Councils who were always sending in letters after reduced speed limits.
Bottom line was that speed limits were set at a level that most drivers would consider to be appropriate. We would go out and measure 100 drivers speeds using. K series radar gun and calculate the 85%ile speed. The logic being that it was not possible to influence the speed of those at the top end and limits should be set around the level that 85% of motorists would comply with. It wasn’t unusual to write to a Parish Councils and tell them they couldn't have a 30mph limit because traffic speeds were too fast.
Happy days and I like to think that many speed limits were implemented based on a sensible approach. Reported injury accidents were factored in as part of the mix but seldom lead to artificially lowering a limit.
Of course later advice and trends abandoned this approach and now it seems the speed limits are set by who shouts loudest. Glad I’ve retired to be honest!
Interesting that there is a glimmer of a return to limits appropriate to driver speed.
I remember the Government guidance was contained in a document “Circular Roads 1/80” I quoted it often enough to Parish Councils who were always sending in letters after reduced speed limits.
Bottom line was that speed limits were set at a level that most drivers would consider to be appropriate. We would go out and measure 100 drivers speeds using. K series radar gun and calculate the 85%ile speed. The logic being that it was not possible to influence the speed of those at the top end and limits should be set around the level that 85% of motorists would comply with. It wasn’t unusual to write to a Parish Councils and tell them they couldn't have a 30mph limit because traffic speeds were too fast.
Happy days and I like to think that many speed limits were implemented based on a sensible approach. Reported injury accidents were factored in as part of the mix but seldom lead to artificially lowering a limit.
Of course later advice and trends abandoned this approach and now it seems the speed limits are set by who shouts loudest. Glad I’ve retired to be honest!
Interesting that there is a glimmer of a return to limits appropriate to driver speed.
The problem with this is that there is now a huge revenue and income and industry built around speeding, so nothing is ever going to change.
The government reply on you speeding to spend that money on buying more cameras to catch even more people speeding, it is an absolute industry.
Vans only go where incidents occur or close to the area they occur, they will be signed, the issue is that there are so many signs now you either ignore them or dont see them until its too late
Either way you can not and never will win, other than to drive a like a dork everywhere
The government reply on you speeding to spend that money on buying more cameras to catch even more people speeding, it is an absolute industry.
Vans only go where incidents occur or close to the area they occur, they will be signed, the issue is that there are so many signs now you either ignore them or dont see them until its too late
Either way you can not and never will win, other than to drive a like a dork everywhere
Rompy said:
Speed limits appropriate to the road …. That brings back memories of working in a highways department from the 1970s onwards and as a Traffic Engineer changing speed limits and parking restrictions in a large rural county.
I remember the Government guidance was contained in a document “Circular Roads 1/80” I quoted it often enough to Parish Councils who were always sending in letters after reduced speed limits.
Bottom line was that speed limits were set at a level that most drivers would consider to be appropriate. We would go out and measure 100 drivers speeds using. K series radar gun and calculate the 85%ile speed. The logic being that it was not possible to influence the speed of those at the top end and limits should be set around the level that 85% of motorists would comply with. It wasn’t unusual to write to a Parish Councils and tell them they couldn't have a 30mph limit because traffic speeds were too fast.
Happy days and I like to think that many speed limits were implemented based on a sensible approach. Reported injury accidents were factored in as part of the mix but seldom lead to artificially lowering a limit.
Of course later advice and trends abandoned this approach and now it seems the speed limits are set by who shouts loudest. Glad I’ve retired to be honest!
Interesting that there is a glimmer of a return to limits appropriate to driver speed.
85th percentile is still the underlying policy. Unfortunately they bowed to pressure and introduced wriggle room for exceptional circumstances and outlying cases, which quickly became the norm. I remember the Government guidance was contained in a document “Circular Roads 1/80” I quoted it often enough to Parish Councils who were always sending in letters after reduced speed limits.
Bottom line was that speed limits were set at a level that most drivers would consider to be appropriate. We would go out and measure 100 drivers speeds using. K series radar gun and calculate the 85%ile speed. The logic being that it was not possible to influence the speed of those at the top end and limits should be set around the level that 85% of motorists would comply with. It wasn’t unusual to write to a Parish Councils and tell them they couldn't have a 30mph limit because traffic speeds were too fast.
Happy days and I like to think that many speed limits were implemented based on a sensible approach. Reported injury accidents were factored in as part of the mix but seldom lead to artificially lowering a limit.
Of course later advice and trends abandoned this approach and now it seems the speed limits are set by who shouts loudest. Glad I’ve retired to be honest!
Interesting that there is a glimmer of a return to limits appropriate to driver speed.
Simpo Two said:
2020vision said:
To be fair to Surrey, they have loads of posters at the side of restricted roads to say that the speed limit is 30 mph. Speed limit signs are not allowed there.
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