Chris Martin 999 response
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Opinions on 2:15?
I'd cut the driver a little slack, not much, but some. The driver had started to cross the carriageway as Chris appeared and was at an awkward angle. Almost certainly not expecting anything to appear so quickly having just checked it was clear to proceed. Yes, should have heard the siren but could easily have had loud music playing (not a good idea in itself) or be hard of hearing or indeed actually deaf. Took an age to react once they realised he was closing so quickly.
Have at it.
I'd cut the driver a little slack, not much, but some. The driver had started to cross the carriageway as Chris appeared and was at an awkward angle. Almost certainly not expecting anything to appear so quickly having just checked it was clear to proceed. Yes, should have heard the siren but could easily have had loud music playing (not a good idea in itself) or be hard of hearing or indeed actually deaf. Took an age to react once they realised he was closing so quickly.
Have at it.
Edited by 5s Alive on Friday 7th March 15:11
Hate it when people do that in day to day driving, must be absolutely infuriating when on a blue light run.
I suppose, being kind to the SUV, their view was restricted by the road curving away, and the camera car was going almost 50% faster than the posted limit. So they didn't see the car until late, misjudged where they were positioned, panicked, stopped in the wrong place then couldn't think to get it in reverse quickly.
But it's also possible that driver dodders out of junctions all the time, forcing people to brake to avoid them.
I suppose, being kind to the SUV, their view was restricted by the road curving away, and the camera car was going almost 50% faster than the posted limit. So they didn't see the car until late, misjudged where they were positioned, panicked, stopped in the wrong place then couldn't think to get it in reverse quickly.
But it's also possible that driver dodders out of junctions all the time, forcing people to brake to avoid them.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Friday 7th March 15:26
Pretty standard stuff. Driver has presumably seen a vehicle in the distance and made an entirely reasonable assumption that they're going at least somewhat close to the speed limit which would give them plenty of time to emerge, they're not going to be staring over their left shoulder as they complete the manoeuvre. They've reacted eventually, not quite quickly enough to avoid a frustrating situation, they stop 6 inches earlier and it's not even something to blink about. Just one of those frustrating situations.
In a (very) minor criticism, long tones might have helped there on the long sweeping bend as they project further.
In a (very) minor criticism, long tones might have helped there on the long sweeping bend as they project further.
I have no idea why the OP has bothered to post this.
Sure, the emerging driver was taken by surprise, and unfortunately didn’t leave enough space for the emergency vehicle to pass. Big deal!
And I saw no evidence in the video that the response driver was unduly annoyed by the incident.
Is the OP possibly misinterpreting the fact that the audio was coincidentally muted at that point? This was almost certainly because the radio operator at the other end of the radio was passing information that could have identified the incident, or simply contained private information that would have been inappropriate to share publicly on the internet. It almost certainly wasn’t because the response driver was yelling abuse at the other driver.
Sure, the emerging driver was taken by surprise, and unfortunately didn’t leave enough space for the emergency vehicle to pass. Big deal!
And I saw no evidence in the video that the response driver was unduly annoyed by the incident.
Is the OP possibly misinterpreting the fact that the audio was coincidentally muted at that point? This was almost certainly because the radio operator at the other end of the radio was passing information that could have identified the incident, or simply contained private information that would have been inappropriate to share publicly on the internet. It almost certainly wasn’t because the response driver was yelling abuse at the other driver.
I saw this one recently too. The driver is a drama queen. Starts braking after the other car has come to a stop and then didn't get back on the throttle very quickly. Spends more time looking inside his car and at the other driver than just getting on with it.
He made a short about it which is what I had seen.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NXzujRtGeYo?si=6CZxHtQn...
He made a short about it which is what I had seen.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NXzujRtGeYo?si=6CZxHtQn...
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
I have no idea why the OP has bothered to post this.
Sure, the emerging driver was taken by surprise, and unfortunately didn’t leave enough space for the emergency vehicle to pass. Big deal!
And I saw no evidence in the video that the response driver was unduly annoyed by the incident.
Is the OP possibly misinterpreting the fact that the audio was coincidentally muted at that point? This was almost certainly because the radio operator at the other end of the radio was passing information that could have identified the incident, or simply contained private information that would have been inappropriate to share publicly on the internet. It almost certainly wasn’t because the response driver was yelling abuse at the other driver.
It was not my intent to criticise Chris or the other driver, more an observation of how circumstances can conspire to interfere with the run. Approach angles, unexpected speeds etc. I've watched a few of his videos, the level of concentration required must be exhausting on a long run.Sure, the emerging driver was taken by surprise, and unfortunately didn’t leave enough space for the emergency vehicle to pass. Big deal!
And I saw no evidence in the video that the response driver was unduly annoyed by the incident.
Is the OP possibly misinterpreting the fact that the audio was coincidentally muted at that point? This was almost certainly because the radio operator at the other end of the radio was passing information that could have identified the incident, or simply contained private information that would have been inappropriate to share publicly on the internet. It almost certainly wasn’t because the response driver was yelling abuse at the other driver.
I know this junction well - it's a tricky one at best with sightlines and the typical speeds on the road you're joining. The junction was 'upgraded' recentlyish to try to alleviate some of the issues. It's a relatively busy junction as it's a popular cut through from the A505 so there can be a long queue to get out - the limit there used to be 50 (and may still be) so Chris could have been going at up to 80 (noting he'd still be accelerating after passing the lorry) which would reduce closing times around the bend significantly.
Without saying the driver pulling out was without blame (there's a central area they can pull into to reassess joining the main road) - I can understand that their initial assessment isn't far wrong. Their view would have been impeded by the white car coming towards the camera car (and a plethora of signposts helpfully put up around the junction) - he'd have seen the next car travelling in the same direction making a positive move to pull into Willow Lane and made what in my view is the correct assessment to pull out. At this point they could reasonably have assumed that no car coming in Chris' direction SHOULD have been on top of the junction in time - in this case that assumption was clearly wrong.
The mistake was to not stop in time in the safe area between the carriageways - but there's always a balance between getting a move on and stopping again.
Equally Chris is an experienced advanced driver who knows that area very well - he should know this particular junction is relatively high risk and plan accordingly (noting that he did stop in time) and while I have sympathy for 'heat of the moment' stopping and then slowly moving off while mouthing off at the other driver, that was somewhat unnecessary given his task in hand. He did also seem to be shifting more in this video that others he's posted on the same roads.
Without saying the driver pulling out was without blame (there's a central area they can pull into to reassess joining the main road) - I can understand that their initial assessment isn't far wrong. Their view would have been impeded by the white car coming towards the camera car (and a plethora of signposts helpfully put up around the junction) - he'd have seen the next car travelling in the same direction making a positive move to pull into Willow Lane and made what in my view is the correct assessment to pull out. At this point they could reasonably have assumed that no car coming in Chris' direction SHOULD have been on top of the junction in time - in this case that assumption was clearly wrong.
The mistake was to not stop in time in the safe area between the carriageways - but there's always a balance between getting a move on and stopping again.
Equally Chris is an experienced advanced driver who knows that area very well - he should know this particular junction is relatively high risk and plan accordingly (noting that he did stop in time) and while I have sympathy for 'heat of the moment' stopping and then slowly moving off while mouthing off at the other driver, that was somewhat unnecessary given his task in hand. He did also seem to be shifting more in this video that others he's posted on the same roads.
White-Noise said:
I saw this one recently too. The driver is a drama queen. Starts braking after the other car has come to a stop and then didn't get back on the throttle very quickly. Spends more time looking inside his car and at the other driver than just getting on with it.
He made a short about it which is what I had seen.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NXzujRtGeYo?si=6CZxHtQn...
I'm glad you've said this. I haven't been massively impressed with his driving or attitude in other videos.He made a short about it which is what I had seen.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NXzujRtGeYo?si=6CZxHtQn...
His driving may appear to good or fast to the 'bog standard' driver, however to anyone that's had any proper advanced input or courses it just isn't that great.
fumedout said:
White-Noise said:
I saw this one recently too. The driver is a drama queen. Starts braking after the other car has come to a stop and then didn't get back on the throttle very quickly. Spends more time looking inside his car and at the other driver than just getting on with it.
He made a short about it which is what I had seen.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NXzujRtGeYo?si=6CZxHtQn...
I'm glad you've said this. I haven't been massively impressed with his driving or attitude in other videos.He made a short about it which is what I had seen.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NXzujRtGeYo?si=6CZxHtQn...
His driving may appear to good or fast to the 'bog standard' driver, however to anyone that's had any proper advanced input or courses it just isn't that great.
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