Fire door on the kitchen of a flat?
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I've got a flat in a converted victorian house. Every door in the flat appears to be a fire door (solid, very heavy) but no self closers/seals etc. We'd like to remove the door in to the kitchen as the space is tight and blocks the furniture/kitchen units, is that allowed?...
6 Flats are spread over four floors of the building, all the flats have their own front door in to a communal stairwell. Our flat is one bed on a single floor (first floor). Kitchen is off the lounge. No other rooms off the kitchen. Kitchen has a window that could be climbed out of, but no escape route as such as it on the first floor, and no roof below that you could climb down on to.
Not sure if that gives enough relevant info... any help appreciated.
6 Flats are spread over four floors of the building, all the flats have their own front door in to a communal stairwell. Our flat is one bed on a single floor (first floor). Kitchen is off the lounge. No other rooms off the kitchen. Kitchen has a window that could be climbed out of, but no escape route as such as it on the first floor, and no roof below that you could climb down on to.
Not sure if that gives enough relevant info... any help appreciated.
We lived in a rented flat with a self closer on the kitchen and living room doors.
We unscrewed the arms and tok them off.
Left the actual piston on the door.
Stored them in the drawer and put them back on just before we moved out.
No tradesman or person from the letting agency said a thing about it in the 7 years we were there.
We unscrewed the arms and tok them off.
Left the actual piston on the door.
Stored them in the drawer and put them back on just before we moved out.
No tradesman or person from the letting agency said a thing about it in the 7 years we were there.
sherman said:
We lived in a rented flat with a self closer on the kitchen and living room doors.
We unscrewed the arms and tok them off.
Left the actual piston on the door.
Stored them in the drawer and put them back on just before we moved out.
No tradesman or person from the letting agency said a thing about it in the 7 years we were there.
what would the insurance company say after a fire?We unscrewed the arms and tok them off.
Left the actual piston on the door.
Stored them in the drawer and put them back on just before we moved out.
No tradesman or person from the letting agency said a thing about it in the 7 years we were there.
to the OP, it all depends on the layout, no one puts fire doors on for fun,
ajhmini said:
I've got a flat in a converted victorian house. Every door in the flat appears to be a fire door (solid, very heavy) but no self closers/seals etc. We'd like to remove the door in to the kitchen as the space is tight and blocks the furniture/kitchen units, is that allowed?...
6 Flats are spread over four floors of the building, all the flats have their own front door in to a communal stairwell. Our flat is one bed on a single floor (first floor). Kitchen is off the lounge. No other rooms off the kitchen. Kitchen has a window that could be climbed out of, but no escape route as such as it on the first floor, and no roof below that you could climb down on to.
Not sure if that gives enough relevant info... any help appreciated.
Is it allowed - No, contra to AD-B, especially into a kitchen.6 Flats are spread over four floors of the building, all the flats have their own front door in to a communal stairwell. Our flat is one bed on a single floor (first floor). Kitchen is off the lounge. No other rooms off the kitchen. Kitchen has a window that could be climbed out of, but no escape route as such as it on the first floor, and no roof below that you could climb down on to.
Not sure if that gives enough relevant info... any help appreciated.
bobtail4x4 said:
sherman said:
We lived in a rented flat with a self closer on the kitchen and living room doors.
We unscrewed the arms and tok them off.
Left the actual piston on the door.
Stored them in the drawer and put them back on just before we moved out.
No tradesman or person from the letting agency said a thing about it in the 7 years we were there.
what would the insurance company say after a fire?We unscrewed the arms and tok them off.
Left the actual piston on the door.
Stored them in the drawer and put them back on just before we moved out.
No tradesman or person from the letting agency said a thing about it in the 7 years we were there.
to the OP, it all depends on the layout, no one puts fire doors on for fun,
All the doors were fire doors anyway.
It just made it a pain to carry something from the kitchen to the livingroom.
The bedroom and bathroom doors off the same hallway didnt have self closers.
In a converted house with multiple flats and a communal stair, anything that helps keep smoke and fire out of the escape route gets treated seriously even if it feels overkill inside your flat.
If you remove the kitchen door and there is a fire, the smoke path gets way easier. Also the lease and insurer angle matters because they can say you altered fire precautions.
If space is the problem, look at a different swing or a different layout instead of deleting the door. Steel Door Company can measure and tell you what options you have that still keep it compliant, without guessing off photos.
If you remove the kitchen door and there is a fire, the smoke path gets way easier. Also the lease and insurer angle matters because they can say you altered fire precautions.
If space is the problem, look at a different swing or a different layout instead of deleting the door. Steel Door Company can measure and tell you what options you have that still keep it compliant, without guessing off photos.
Edited by cronie007 on Monday 2nd February 15:45
cronie007 said:
In a converted house with multiple flats and a communal stair, anything that helps keep smoke and fire out of the escape route gets treated seriously even if it feels overkill inside your flat.
If you remove the kitchen door and there is a fire, the smoke path gets way easier. Also the lease and insurer angle matters because they can say you altered fire precautions.
Not relevant If you remove the kitchen door and there is a fire, the smoke path gets way easier. Also the lease and insurer angle matters because they can say you altered fire precautions.
Building control are looking at maintaining the protected means of escape.
As the kitchen is in effect an inner room opening it permanently into the lounge does not effect the means of escape.
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