Latest Old Age Pension Scandal
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"According to a Freedom of Information request by The Telegraph, 3,562 people aged 66 and above are currently incarcerated and cannot receive their state pension until they are released"
"Paula Harriott, of the criminal justice charity Unlock, said that increasingly more pensioners were being handed sentences and called for their state pensions to be reinstated."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-p...
Dream on! Can't do the time, don't do the crime. No living expenses while in the poky. No pension required.
"Paula Harriott, of the criminal justice charity Unlock, said that increasingly more pensioners were being handed sentences and called for their state pensions to be reinstated."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-p...
Dream on! Can't do the time, don't do the crime. No living expenses while in the poky. No pension required.
HertsBiker said:
how is rent or mortgage paid on their property, so when they get released they can try to have a normal life?
If it's a council house they are the sole occupant they lose it. A private house - sole occupant - let it out. Otherwise family living there pay the bills. The alternative would be someone going to jail for4 years and coming out to a £40k lump sum courtesy of your and my taxes. Why should a council house lie empty for years when there are people homeless?
Everyone has issues when they go to jail. Isn't that the point. Play by the rules and it will never happen.
Its pretty simple.
State pension is designed to cover the cost of living, not repayments on a mortgage. Most mortgages run until retirement age for that reason.
The cost of living is covered by the state while in prison = no pension to be paid.
If your renting then it's probably a good time to think about stopping. Yes it will be inconvenient, but you deserve it. The underlying message has to be that if you **** about, you find out. Crime shouldn't pay, and it should come with other nasty consequences beyond having the state pay for you for x years.
State pension is designed to cover the cost of living, not repayments on a mortgage. Most mortgages run until retirement age for that reason.
The cost of living is covered by the state while in prison = no pension to be paid.
If your renting then it's probably a good time to think about stopping. Yes it will be inconvenient, but you deserve it. The underlying message has to be that if you **** about, you find out. Crime shouldn't pay, and it should come with other nasty consequences beyond having the state pay for you for x years.
irc said:
"According to a Freedom of Information request by The Telegraph, 3,562 people aged 66 and above are currently incarcerated and cannot receive their state pension until they are released"
"Paula Harriott, of the criminal justice charity Unlock, said that increasingly more pensioners were being handed sentences and called for their state pensions to be reinstated."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-p...
Dream on! Can't do the time, don't do the crime. No living expenses while in the poky. No pension required.
Sorry, why is this a scandal?"Paula Harriott, of the criminal justice charity Unlock, said that increasingly more pensioners were being handed sentences and called for their state pensions to be reinstated."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-p...
Dream on! Can't do the time, don't do the crime. No living expenses while in the poky. No pension required.
Telegraph poll is interesting, they seemed to hint that their readers should be outraged, but at the time of writing 75% of circa 5k votes saying no, they shouldn’t whilst in prison.
Article does briefly touch on something more important, that pensioners who moved abroad aren’t entitled to the triple lock/annual increase. They’ve paid in, haven’t committed a crime etc.
Article does briefly touch on something more important, that pensioners who moved abroad aren’t entitled to the triple lock/annual increase. They’ve paid in, haven’t committed a crime etc.
Presumably prisoners are still entitled to receive private pensions, if they have them, whilst in jail?
I genuinely do not know whether they are or not.
If they are, then I can see a potential argument for them also keeping state pensions, as these are based on entitlement based on previous contributions.
Similarly, do prisoners receive other benefits whilst in prison? (e.g. JSA, PIP etc.)
I genuinely do not know whether they are or not.
If they are, then I can see a potential argument for them also keeping state pensions, as these are based on entitlement based on previous contributions.
Similarly, do prisoners receive other benefits whilst in prison? (e.g. JSA, PIP etc.)
ChevronB19 said:
Telegraph poll is interesting, they seemed to hint that their readers should be outraged, but at the time of writing 75% of circa 5k votes saying no, they shouldn’t whilst in prison.
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Stirring even trying pathetically- to manufacture-outrage via their utterly-moronic 'opinionistas' is the only way the Telegraph tries to tenuously -grasp onto remaining a newspaper at all. Has been last 10-15years..
f
k the lot of them.I really don't understand why people take such an emotional view on this sort of thing.
My view is that in as far as any pensioners have paid in enough to justify receiving a State pension, so have these prisoners, so by allowing their pension payments to accrue whilst in prison, are they more or less likely to reoffend on release, almost certainly costing me, the taxpayer, more in direct and indirect costs than the cost of their pension?
Personally I think the bill would lower if they got their pension, so I'd support that happening purely on pragmatic grounds.
My view is that in as far as any pensioners have paid in enough to justify receiving a State pension, so have these prisoners, so by allowing their pension payments to accrue whilst in prison, are they more or less likely to reoffend on release, almost certainly costing me, the taxpayer, more in direct and indirect costs than the cost of their pension?
Personally I think the bill would lower if they got their pension, so I'd support that happening purely on pragmatic grounds.
Rufus Stone said:
irc said:
"According to a Freedom of Information request by The Telegraph, 3,562 people aged 66 and above are currently incarcerated and cannot receive their state pension until they are released"
"Paula Harriott, of the criminal justice charity Unlock, said that increasingly more pensioners were being handed sentences and called for their state pensions to be reinstated."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-p...
Dream on! Can't do the time, don't do the crime. No living expenses while in the poky. No pension required.
Sorry, why is this a scandal?"Paula Harriott, of the criminal justice charity Unlock, said that increasingly more pensioners were being handed sentences and called for their state pensions to be reinstated."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-p...
Dream on! Can't do the time, don't do the crime. No living expenses while in the poky. No pension required.
I am fairly sure that a similar situation arises if a pensioner is in hospital receiving long term care at the state’s expense.
irc said:
If it's a council house they are the sole occupant they lose it. A private house - sole occupant - let it out. Otherwise family living there pay the bills.
In this sort of situation, what happens to someone's stuff? Does your entire life end up in a skip or are the council obligated to take some sort of care over it? And no, I agree this headline isn't a scandal - but what probably is, is the stat that we are locking up increasing numbers of elderly whilst increasing numbers of genuinely dangerous things keep getting non custodial sentences due to "overcrowding".... Once again, authorities going after the low hanging fruit?
ChemicalChaos said:
irc said:
If it's a council house they are the sole occupant they lose it. A private house - sole occupant - let it out. Otherwise family living there pay the bills.
In this sort of situation, what happens to someone's stuff? Does your entire life end up in a skip or are the council obligated to take some sort of care over it? And no, I agree this headline isn't a scandal - but what probably is, is the stat that we are locking up increasing numbers of elderly whilst increasing numbers of genuinely dangerous things keep getting non custodial sentences due to "overcrowding".... Once again, authorities going after the low hanging fruit?
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