SF90 Stradale AF
Discussion
Good morning all,
I'm looking at a few options for a new weekend toy and the SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano is one of the models I'm contemplating, along with a 488 Pista in hard top format. I'm hoping for some real world feedback from owners and people who have driven them.
The elements which I could do with some insight into are the market place and also general ownership experience. Are dealers struggling to find buyers and am I going to take massive hit, more than usual when it comes to trade-in time? From the ownership point of view, what were the positives and what were the negatives of the experience.
I guess the main things I'm trying to understand are a) is it just a very fast one trick pony with an average sound track, or is actually a decent/fun drive and b) how much of a bath am I going to take at resale time.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
GoM
I'm looking at a few options for a new weekend toy and the SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano is one of the models I'm contemplating, along with a 488 Pista in hard top format. I'm hoping for some real world feedback from owners and people who have driven them.
The elements which I could do with some insight into are the market place and also general ownership experience. Are dealers struggling to find buyers and am I going to take massive hit, more than usual when it comes to trade-in time? From the ownership point of view, what were the positives and what were the negatives of the experience.
I guess the main things I'm trying to understand are a) is it just a very fast one trick pony with an average sound track, or is actually a decent/fun drive and b) how much of a bath am I going to take at resale time.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
GoM
Edited by GameOverMan! on Thursday 3rd April 04:47
Gameover, sorry you asked me in another thread. Firstly, don’t consider the base car, for me it has to be AF for the SF90. I do come from 964 RS, 993 RS, Speciale Pista types of cars. I love the firmer suspension sports car, sports cars that are fast but have S class kind of suspension do nothing for me, don’t start me on Bumpy Road Mode in any Ferrari. Next to each other a AF SF90 against 296, one looks like a HyperCar and the other a bland looking larger Lotus Evora. For the same money now as a Pista, amazing option. In AF spec think they only brought in 180 AF Coupe v over 500 Pista Coupe. The problem was it was priced wrong from the start and the initial journals were Luke warm on it. Go find the Steve Sutcliffe article in the Intercooler, where he went back to it a few years later, he is spot on about the car. It’s an absolute tour de force, the problem for me it just got silly, I was on a speed trip and I used to go out early hours when roads were deserted to get my fix, just couldn’t believe how quick you could go and not put 1000hp car into the bushes. The front end turn in is the best I’ve experienced in any road car, but problem is you keep pushing. In AF form the titanium exhaust is not too bad, to me it sounded similar to my Pista. On the luggage true on any hybrid car, but someone on Ferrari Chat posted a photo of how much luggage he got in for a 2 week euro trip, I will try and dig it up, because it’s way more than you think for a 2 person trip. Also you will hear don’t get the AF, no suspension lifter. I lived in an area of London full of high speed bumps, not once approached at the right speed did I have a problem, Pista was ever so slightly lower. However, you will have a problem if you try to enter one of the euro city hotel car parks, the steep ones. Great great car in AF Coupe Spec, but misunderstood. The Steve Sutcliffe article should be your go to and then make a decision. Enjoy the process. Also Novitec do a Suspension Lifter Kit for AF cars if you think you need it after all.
Gameover, can’t find the photo but get yourself over to Ferrari Chat, much more owner feedback.. here is a sample quote from a UK based owner on Luggage
We’re doing a road trip again this October. For the third time in three years it’s the SF90 that I’ll pick up the keys to. Not GT3 RS, not GT4 RS, not Pista, not Speciale, not 812 SF or Comp, not any of the older cars like Testarossa. The SF90 will be the most thrilling car around Italy. And we’ve even worked out how to get a week’s worth of luggage into an SF90 Spider!
We’re doing a road trip again this October. For the third time in three years it’s the SF90 that I’ll pick up the keys to. Not GT3 RS, not GT4 RS, not Pista, not Speciale, not 812 SF or Comp, not any of the older cars like Testarossa. The SF90 will be the most thrilling car around Italy. And we’ve even worked out how to get a week’s worth of luggage into an SF90 Spider!
maura said:
Gameover, sorry you asked me in another thread. Firstly, don’t consider the base car, for me it has to be AF for the SF90. I do come from 964 RS, 993 RS, Speciale Pista types of cars. I love the firmer suspension sports car, sports cars that are fast but have S class kind of suspension do nothing for me, don’t start me on Bumpy Road Mode in any Ferrari. Next to each other a AF SF90 against 296, one looks like a HyperCar and the other a bland looking larger Lotus Evora. For the same money now as a Pista, amazing option. In AF spec think they only brought in 180 AF Coupe v over 500 Pista Coupe. The problem was it was priced wrong from the start and the initial journals were Luke warm on it. Go find the Steve Sutcliffe article in the Intercooler, where he went back to it a few years later, he is spot on about the car. It’s an absolute tour de force, the problem for me it just got silly, I was on a speed trip and I used to go out early hours when roads were deserted to get my fix, just couldn’t believe how quick you could go and not put 1000hp car into the bushes. The front end turn in is the best I’ve experienced in any road car, but problem is you keep pushing. In AF form the titanium exhaust is not too bad, to me it sounded similar to my Pista. On the luggage true on any hybrid car, but someone on Ferrari Chat posted a photo of how much luggage he got in for a 2 week euro trip, I will try and dig it up, because it’s way more than you think for a 2 person trip. Also you will hear don’t get the AF, no suspension lifter. I lived in an area of London full of high speed bumps, not once approached at the right speed did I have a problem, Pista was ever so slightly lower. However, you will have a problem if you try to enter one of the euro city hotel car parks, the steep ones. Great great car in AF Coupe Spec, but misunderstood. The Steve Sutcliffe article should be your go to and then make a decision. Enjoy the process. Also Novitec do a Suspension Lifter Kit for AF cars if you think you need it after all.
wholeheartedly agree: "I love the firmer suspension sports car, sports cars that are fast but have S class kind of suspension do nothing for me"Maura, again many thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated and it's exactly what I was after. I've literally just returned from the local Ferrari dealership after viewing a standard SP90, Pista and a 812 Superfast.
I'd dismissed the non-AF version of the SF90 as I do like stiffer/racier suspension and the few external extras on the AF version. I was however leaning towards the Pista purely as it felt like the 'safe' option, mainly due to my lack of SF90 AF market knowledge. I was also concerned it was all just about rapid acceleration like an EV and I'd get bored quickly. However, from what you've said, this isn't the case which is great news.
In terms of the SF90 market place, were you offered silly low trade-in prices when it came to move it on, due to dealers struggling to move SF90s? It's not a show stopper, but just so I know what to expect at the other end of the journey.
I'd dismissed the non-AF version of the SF90 as I do like stiffer/racier suspension and the few external extras on the AF version. I was however leaning towards the Pista purely as it felt like the 'safe' option, mainly due to my lack of SF90 AF market knowledge. I was also concerned it was all just about rapid acceleration like an EV and I'd get bored quickly. However, from what you've said, this isn't the case which is great news.
In terms of the SF90 market place, were you offered silly low trade-in prices when it came to move it on, due to dealers struggling to move SF90s? It's not a show stopper, but just so I know what to expect at the other end of the journey.
I took a 90k loss, but that is fine because I buy cars to drive, no finance and not bothered by flipping business, like to keep in with Ferrari. My loss is now a 65k loss to them last time I saw my car advertised. I agree at Pista prices no contest, and I had a quick lookup, would seem my 180 UK AF Coupe was high, its more like 135 Cars AF Coupe came to UK v 530 Pista Coupe. Also they have started offering longer warranty terms on cars and hybrid batteries too when I bought the car, albeit you pay for it. I think at 280k they are compelling and worth 100k more than used 296, on presence, V8 and lower numbers. With the F80 running V6 now I think these V8’s hold some esteem, and wearing my Rose Tinted Glasses an AF SF90 Coupe looks more cohesive than the F80 HyperCar for a 15th of the price.
Maura... it's all your fault. I've gone and bought one with the AF upgrade.
Granted it's not a purists wet dream but I think at £280K they do represent great value. The ability to extend the warranty is also really good news, especially with the battery/re-gen tech as they get older.
Many thanks to all those who kindly took the time to provide feedback/input and enjoy driving in the sun (while it lasts).
All the best,
GoM
Granted it's not a purists wet dream but I think at £280K they do represent great value. The ability to extend the warranty is also really good news, especially with the battery/re-gen tech as they get older.
Many thanks to all those who kindly took the time to provide feedback/input and enjoy driving in the sun (while it lasts).
All the best,
GoM
Yeah, I tend to research the pros & cons and sell these things to myself or discount them and move on. In my little 'special' world it either works or it doesn't.
The only thing left is a successful pricing negotiation which isn't usually too much of a problem. As I expect a reasonable discount without being too silly.
I'll post up some pictures and initial feedback once I've got my sticky mitts on it and get over to Ferrari Chat.
The only thing left is a successful pricing negotiation which isn't usually too much of a problem. As I expect a reasonable discount without being too silly.
I'll post up some pictures and initial feedback once I've got my sticky mitts on it and get over to Ferrari Chat.
Thanks Jonathan. Yours for sure will be more accurate, mine are based on the 4 Sytner dealer allocations/sales, but clearly the other 9 dealers get less allocations or allocations weren’t taken up. Wow only 93 AF Coupes, GameOver should be even happier tonight. Trust you are well and thanks for all the time you put into UK Ferrari numbers.
Crikey, those numbers are really surprising. Many thanks for the information chaps, it's good to know and much appreciated.
I think it's going to be an interesting journey to see if reality is different to market perception of these cars. Especially as I'm a die hard ICE person and EVs leave me stone cold. However, I do appreciate the application of technology to deliver positive benefits rather than meet unfounded political rhetoric.
Plugging the car in will feel soooo bizarre, mind you it'd be sat on a battery conditioner anyway.
I think it's going to be an interesting journey to see if reality is different to market perception of these cars. Especially as I'm a die hard ICE person and EVs leave me stone cold. However, I do appreciate the application of technology to deliver positive benefits rather than meet unfounded political rhetoric.
Plugging the car in will feel soooo bizarre, mind you it'd be sat on a battery conditioner anyway.
Edited by GameOverMan! on Thursday 3rd April 20:09
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