Fly tipping completely out of control
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t, which comprised of an old shed, fridge, large mattress and even a bath.Our council has just had a massive crackdown and caught a fair few and the published fines were pretty large so they do seem to be making progress.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that if councils just took every bit of waste including trade for free at the tip, this wouldn't happen....
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that if councils just took every bit of waste including trade for free at the tip, this wouldn't happen....
paulw123 said:
Our council has just had a massive crackdown and caught a fair few and the published fines were pretty large so they do seem to be making progress.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that if councils just took every bit of waste including trade for free at the tip, this wouldn't happen....
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that if councils just took every bit of waste including trade for free at the tip, this wouldn't happen....
Terminator X said:
Unintended consequences of making it so expensive for commercial tippers?
TX.
TX.
Have a look at this:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/work-und...
Tippers dumped about 30000 tonnes of rubbish in the woods. The locals spent years reporting it to the police, council and various other government departments, who did absolutely nothing. Rather than going to catch the tippers actually tipping, they waited until they had stopped and then decided to investigate. Now taxpayers have to pay for the clean up operation, as well as all of the wasted time investigating what they could've just stopped in the first place.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/work-und...
Tippers dumped about 30000 tonnes of rubbish in the woods. The locals spent years reporting it to the police, council and various other government departments, who did absolutely nothing. Rather than going to catch the tippers actually tipping, they waited until they had stopped and then decided to investigate. Now taxpayers have to pay for the clean up operation, as well as all of the wasted time investigating what they could've just stopped in the first place.
Hoofy said:
paulw123 said:
Our council has just had a massive crackdown and caught a fair few and the published fines were pretty large so they do seem to be making progress.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that if councils just took every bit of waste including trade for free at the tip, this wouldn't happen....
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that if councils just took every bit of waste including trade for free at the tip, this wouldn't happen....
Terminator X said:
Unintended consequences of making it so expensive for commercial tippers?
TX.
TX.
TX.
Currently working on a project in Cyprus part of which includes addressing the same problem there:
The standard response to the issue is to blame the costs and hurdles imposed by local authorities for the disposal of waste - both domestic and commercial. In Cyprus no such hurdles exist and the cost of waste disposal is ridiculously cheap.
I've been working in and around waste management for the best part of 30 years and I can tell you that there exists next to no relationship between costs, restrictions or other hurdles of waste disposal and fly-tipping.
Fly tipping is carried out by thick, lazy, mouth-breathing bottom feeders. That's it.
If you are not prone to fly-tipping, the only result of increased disposal cost is to moan about it on a Facebook community page.
As for enforcement, a lot of councils are getting better at this. But it costs a lot of money to investigate and purse the culprits and not all have the means to do so.
As an aside, I think the term 'fly-tipping' is completely wrong. It's a uniquely British phrase used nowhere else. The correct term is, and should be: Illegal Dumping.
The standard response to the issue is to blame the costs and hurdles imposed by local authorities for the disposal of waste - both domestic and commercial. In Cyprus no such hurdles exist and the cost of waste disposal is ridiculously cheap.
I've been working in and around waste management for the best part of 30 years and I can tell you that there exists next to no relationship between costs, restrictions or other hurdles of waste disposal and fly-tipping.
Fly tipping is carried out by thick, lazy, mouth-breathing bottom feeders. That's it.
If you are not prone to fly-tipping, the only result of increased disposal cost is to moan about it on a Facebook community page.
As for enforcement, a lot of councils are getting better at this. But it costs a lot of money to investigate and purse the culprits and not all have the means to do so.
As an aside, I think the term 'fly-tipping' is completely wrong. It's a uniquely British phrase used nowhere else. The correct term is, and should be: Illegal Dumping.
They keep doing it down the road I live, seems to be every couple of months, usually roofing stuff.
It isn't that expensive to get rid of, I think it's about £150 a ton plus vat. You would be surprised just how much rubbish is a ton.
The two issues are the race to the bottom in the domestic building trade and also just the greed of those doing it.
It isn't that expensive to get rid of, I think it's about £150 a ton plus vat. You would be surprised just how much rubbish is a ton.
The two issues are the race to the bottom in the domestic building trade and also just the greed of those doing it.
Bromley is the largest borough in London by size and used to have two waste/recycling sites. It has just closed one for refurbishment ................ for a year. A year to turn a waste/recycling facility into .............. a waste/recycling facility.
Now there is one site in a borough of nearly 60 square miles.
Now there is one site in a borough of nearly 60 square miles.
It's out of control near me courtesy of the lovely folks with caravans, it must be just one big laugh to them because they've started dumping whole vans and motorhomes down the lanes.
They're offering rubbish removal for 50% of what a registered business charges and it seems a lot of people don't bother checking licenses or don't care.
They're offering rubbish removal for 50% of what a registered business charges and it seems a lot of people don't bother checking licenses or don't care.
It's definitely getting worse, I commute using country lanes which go over Clent & Frankley towards Birmingham and the amount of mattresses and black bags just dumped in verges is increasing, despite fly tipping beware signs.
Also seeing more artic trailers full of rubbish being dumped in layby's on dual carriageways.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/fur...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/environment-age...
Also seeing more artic trailers full of rubbish being dumped in layby's on dual carriageways.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/fur...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/environment-age...
I live in Chelmsford, and we have just started a system of paid collection for garden waste bins, £60 a year for one bin.
Collection day was Wednesday and we took a drive across town, and on passing through one of the big council estates (many houses owned by residents now, however) I remarked to Mrs RT that there were hardly any garden waste bins out for collection. On leaving the estate, and turning into a road full of large middle class houses, every single one of them had a ticketed waste bin outside. The contrast couldn’t have been more stark.
So where is all the garden waste going to go? My bet is over the neighbour’s fence, onto the grass verges, or along the rabbit warren of footpaths we have round here.
Early days yet, but when the quantities of garden waste mount up later in the year it’s going to be interesting to say the least.
Collection day was Wednesday and we took a drive across town, and on passing through one of the big council estates (many houses owned by residents now, however) I remarked to Mrs RT that there were hardly any garden waste bins out for collection. On leaving the estate, and turning into a road full of large middle class houses, every single one of them had a ticketed waste bin outside. The contrast couldn’t have been more stark.
So where is all the garden waste going to go? My bet is over the neighbour’s fence, onto the grass verges, or along the rabbit warren of footpaths we have round here.
Early days yet, but when the quantities of garden waste mount up later in the year it’s going to be interesting to say the least.
Dynamic Space Wizard said:
Have a look at this:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/work-und...
Tippers dumped about 30000 tonnes of rubbish in the woods. The locals spent years reporting it to the police, council and various other government departments, who did absolutely nothing. Rather than going to catch the tippers actually tipping, they waited until they had stopped and then decided to investigate. Now taxpayers have to pay for the clean up operation, as well as all of the wasted time investigating what they could've just stopped in the first place.
Someone hiding in the woods with a rifle would have stopped this instantly.https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/work-und...
Tippers dumped about 30000 tonnes of rubbish in the woods. The locals spent years reporting it to the police, council and various other government departments, who did absolutely nothing. Rather than going to catch the tippers actually tipping, they waited until they had stopped and then decided to investigate. Now taxpayers have to pay for the clean up operation, as well as all of the wasted time investigating what they could've just stopped in the first place.
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